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Rev limiter when engine is cold on the 458

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Ash Patel, Mar 30, 2016.

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  1. Ash Patel

    Ash Patel Formula Junior

    Dec 12, 2015
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    Stockholm, Sweden
    Just wondering, as I bought a used 458, if there is a electronically controlled rev limiter that does not allows you to rev the engine all the way up to 9000 RPM when the engine is still warming up and cold?

    The similiar thing as new Lambos eller R8 has.

    According to my Lambo/Ferrari tech that is the biggest single reason why the later Lamborghini Gallardos did not have any issues with the engines compared to the earlier models (04-09) consuming to much oil etc.

    My guess is that it exists on the 458 as there are so few engine issues with that model?

    Also wondering what temp on the engine and oil (celsuis) it should be fine to start reving the engine all the way up to 9000 RPM.
     
  2. mik458spider

    mik458spider Formula 3

    Jan 13, 2013
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    Before 70, max is 3000 rpm.
     
  3. Ash Patel

    Ash Patel Formula Junior

    Dec 12, 2015
    548
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Thanks! That sounds good and promising to have a trouble free engine for a long time.

    So before the oil temp or the engine temp is 70 degrees Celsius it is impossible to rev it past 3000 RPM?

    Just asking as I could not find it in the instructions.
     
  4. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    In the handbook it quite clearly states do not run engine at high speed until temperature has reached 65-70 deg c so no not impossible just like any other car use your commons sense!
     
  5. Ash Patel

    Ash Patel Formula Junior

    Dec 12, 2015
    548
    Stockholm, Sweden
    off course, but my question was if there is a rev limiter that is adjusted according to the oil and engine temperature just as there is on the later Gallardos and R8s so you can't do the mistake and rev it out when the engine is cold?
     
  6. mik458spider

    mik458spider Formula 3

    Jan 13, 2013
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    I think it's oil (the right one). It's stated in the manual, I looked at it long time ago.
    Maybe even when it reached 70, don't hit it all out right away, give it like 5 more minutes of driving. And the most important, don't idle warm up the engine (stated in the manual).
     
  7. Ferdi p

    Ferdi p Rookie

    Oct 10, 2015
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    So the answer seems to be;

    1. Yes, you can rev the nuts off it from cold

    2. You must use your own common sense to be mechanically sympathetic

    3. It does not electronically adjust the rev limiter to oil/water temp
     
  8. Ash Patel

    Ash Patel Formula Junior

    Dec 12, 2015
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    #8 Ash Patel, Mar 30, 2016
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2016
    Thanks, what's the issue if you idle warm up the engine which I've done some times in my garage when I had her for sleep during the snow period here in Sweden?

    The Ferrari tech even recommended me to warm her up twice a month in my garage and drive it back and forth so I don't get flat spots on the tires...

    Edit: the garage is heated and always around 24 degrees Celsius...
     
  9. anubis

    anubis Karting

    Nov 26, 2014
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    1. There's no special limiter when the engine is cold. So behave :eek:)

    2. I wouldn't recommend to idle warm up the engine.

    3. Inflate your tires over 3 psi in winter and use cushions for your tires.

    4. Use the battery conditioner.

    I have the same issue like you in winter here in Switzerland.
     
  10. mik458spider

    mik458spider Formula 3

    Jan 13, 2013
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    IMO, when hibernate, just make sure the battery is plugged. There is no need to start or idle warm the engine. Try to read the manual book, it's all stated there. As for idle warm the engine, this is very bad for your lung.
     
  11. Dolceexte

    Dolceexte Formula 3

    Dec 20, 2015
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    We just need to run the car until the engine light goes off right?
     
  12. boeckman2003

    boeckman2003 Karting

    Oct 7, 2015
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    Which page/section in the manual? Can you explain the rationale against idle warm ups? I've done that a few times :/

    I suppose the issue is lack of lubrication?
     
  13. Entropy

    Entropy Formula 3
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    Jul 10, 2008
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    the rationale (and manual's recommendation) about not idling to let the engine warm is primarily to reduce emissions (seriously). IF they recommended or required idle warmup, it would be the procedure the regulators would use to test the emissions at cold start.

    Obviously, a short idle will cause no harm to the engine. Long idle is unnecessary, but a good practice is to keep your driving somewhat tame until the engine temps are up (oil temp).

    Also, remember that the gearbox is cold and won't warm much at idle, takes a short while while driving.

    There is no rev limiter that I'm aware of or experienced based on engine temp (in contrast, some of my German cars have had startup based rev limiters, on the BMW's the tach will change colors).

    Upon starting, 1) turn the power on and let the car initialize (a few second; wait until the beeping stops) before hitting the engine start and 2) the CEL (engine symbol) will stay on for the first few seconds after you drive off, totally normal

    good advice above re the tender; if the car is net-new to you, might be worth checking the battery is good as a tender can only keep a good battery charged, and these cars are ultra sensitive to electrical voltage.
     
  14. Ash Patel

    Ash Patel Formula Junior

    Dec 12, 2015
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    Stockholm, Sweden
    I always use my Ferrari OEM trickle charger even if the car only sits for a few days. As it is not only charging the battery but also pulsing/conditioning the battery when fully charged I thought better be safe than sorry and make sure the battery life span is as long as possible.
     
  15. 720

    720 F1 Rookie

    Jul 14, 2003
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    Agreed.
     
  16. rlips

    rlips Formula Junior

    Jul 29, 2011
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    Keep in mind that this is a dry sump engine. Based on how fast it seemed to reach operating oil temperature vs. other dry sup cars I've had, I'd say its measuring temperature at the engine, not coming out of the sump.

    I always gave it at least 10 minutes normal driving so as to hopefully get all the oil in the tank up to temperature, as I do with all my dry sump cars.
     

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