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Replacement Battery Braille B2015

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  1. F430Rod

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    #1 F430Rod, Apr 4, 2016
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    I recently purchased a Braille B2015 battery for my 2005 F430. This battery is quite small and skinny and short length wise. I know some may consider this battery not powerful enough but I live in Southern California and it would never be 32 degrees on a day I would be starting the car. It would have been on the battery tender anyhow before I started it also.

    The advantages of the Odyssey PC925 is that the battery while short in height it's also thick width wise. See 2nd pic from fellow Fchatter. The stock mounting bracket can be used.

    The stock j hook mounting set doesn't look like an option for the Braille battery as the positive terminal connection sits too close to the edge of the battery and I'm concerned with the stock metal mounting bracket. So I have to think of a different way of securely mounting it.

    Please see 3rd pic. Length of Braille battery is 6.8 inches which is shorter than the two front 10mm bolts which mount the battery tray. I've been searching for L type brackets to secure the battery but so far no luck. I've also been looking at some U horseshoe type straps which would go over the center of the Braille battery. I still need a way of securing the strap.

    I have thought about removing the metal tray and drilling holes where necessary to secure the L brackets and/or strap to the tray. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.

    Specs on Braille B2015
    Battery Type: AGM
    Cranking Amps at 0 Degrees F: 425 amps
    Cranking Amps at 32 Degrees F: 574 amps
    Hot Cranking Amps 1,067 amps
    Reserve Capacity: 35 minutes
    Length (in): 6.800 in.
    Width (in): 3.400 in.
    Height (in): 6.100 in.
    Weight: 15 lbs.
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  2. MaranelloDave

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    Why did you choose the Braille over the Odyssey PC925? The Odyssey seems like the easy way to go.
     
  3. BladeMD

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    I would need some guidance as to why you chose this battery over another AGM that would fit your car better. Is it a cost-saving move or is there some thing inherently awesome about this battery that makes the mounting headache worth it?

    Just curious, and thanks for sharing pics!
     
  4. F430Rod

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    Based on research on this forum some have mentioned that the PC Odyssey 925 is a bit weak. I actually have this battery for my E46 M3. I just got a new one for it. The previous 925 I had lasted 9 years. I often had it on a battery charger.

    I believe I have an interstate battery in the F430 right now. It's huge and heavy. It does feel like to me that when I start the F430...it's pulling a lot of juice. Some say the PC925 works fine but others say it's a bit weak.

    The Braille B2015 has more cranking power both hot and cold cranking and it's 11 lbs lighter than the Odyssey. It's $50 more also than the Odyssey PC925.

    So the reason why I went with the Braille mainly is that it has more cranking power and it's also ligher which is a plus.
     
  5. MaranelloDave

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    So the problem is the Braille is not deep enough for the OEM bracket? Does the bracket pivot up and down? If so, it seems as though you could just place a spacer block of some sort behind the battery to push it outward toward the passenger and enable the bracket to engage the top edge of the battery. You may need to put some plastic or other non-conductive material on the bracket to ensure it doesn't make an electrical connection with the battery terminals and short out the system. Or, you could just turn the battery around so the front faces away from the passenger.

    BTW, do you know how much the OEM battery weighs? I'm (always) tempted to go with something lighter.
     
  6. BladeMD

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    I have a rubber strap that goes across the batteries of my wave runners. Does a great job keeping them in place. It looks like you have some good anchor points for strap hooks on the tray.
     
  7. Kevin Rev'n

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    #7 Kevin Rev'n, Apr 5, 2016
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    I am a fan of the PC925 in my 360 but did not know of the claims you are making for this Braille battery. If it is a stronger battery and works as well or better than the Odyssey, I may go there in the future. Room for the crossovers and or amp in that upgraded stereo I never got around to installing would be nice!

    The nice thing about these... I will call them "contemporary" batteries is there is often a nice mount to use to for adaptation to the purpose. Looks like the Braille is no exception here.

    Here is the Odyssey custom mount in my 360. I have the luxury of not having F-1 pumps to tax the battery and am religious about keeping mine plugged in so YMMV. I am at 26 months on mine with no issues.
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  8. MaranelloDave

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    Nice setup. How is that battery mount secured to the car?
     
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    #9 Kevin Rev'n, Apr 5, 2016
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    A couple of screws through the lightening holes in the OEM plate. Here you can see the bottom of the Odyssey mount no modification needed. The part with the threaded posts on it worked well with the stock battery plate.
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  10. MaranelloDave

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    That really works well. If they have a similar mounting kit for the Braille, I might give it a shot too. It doesn't really get cold here and I keep my car on a tender anyway.
     
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    Not cold here and I have had my car for 10 years. On my 2nd Odyssey 925 and it is still going strong. I find that it will hold about a week. Longer than that requires a tender.
     
  12. F430Rod

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    Thanks for the tips. I believe OEM better is between 45 - 50 lbs. So quite a bit of weight savings going with a lightweight battery.

    Thanks. I'll look into

    Wow. Love your set up but your set up looks like it costs more than the battery I bought. LOL! :D Appreciate the pics. Gives me more ideas. Thanks. Just an fyi...the B2015 Braille battery isn't designed for car stereos. It's more for race applications. Braille does offer many other batteries that would probably fit your needs. Braille has some nice lithium batteries but those run well over a grand. Too rich for my blood.
     
  13. MaranelloDave

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    Let us know if you find a bracket that works with the car for the Braille.
     
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    Braille battery is just a relabeled Deka batteries. You can buy Deka batteries for half the price of Braille. All Braille does is take off the label and affix their own labeling.
     
  15. MaranelloDave

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    I have a dead battery in the scud and I'm looking for a replacement. Anyone have Ferrari's recommended battery specs? I looked in the owner's manual but didn't see any. Looking for a lightweight battery, but want to be sure it has enough juice to support all the electronics of the scud.
     
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    #16 tazandjan, Aug 1, 2016
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    Both those batteries are too wimpy for a Ferrari in my opinion. Here is Braille's recommendations and the recommended Odyssey is the 34R-PC1500. Those are not lightweights, though, with the Odyssey weighing in at 48 lbs because of the tightly packed plates. With all the problems in Ferraris caused by low batteries, one with a bit more cranking power would make a lot more sense to me.

    The Braille list of lithium batteries is out of date, so check with their site if you want one and have over $1K to spend on a battery. This list was provided to Ferrari dealers when they were having all kinds of problems with the OEM Optimas.
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    I'm not going to go with the lithium-ion b/c I don't want to spend over a grand on a battery, which may also go dead. I'm leaning toward the following Braille AGM:

    https://www.braillebattery.com/index.php/braille/product_batteries/b3121

    Not as powerful as the OEM recommended Braille but also half the weight. I live in a warm climate and always keep the battery on a tender so I'm thinking this one may work.
     
  18. freshmeat

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    does anyone make / sell a mount for these smaller, lighter batteries?
     
  19. Spdrcrj

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    Sub'd! I don't have a radio in my Scud so would like to save an additional 40lbs on a battery.
     
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    Braille has mounts but I don't know if they are compatible with the F430/scud. I ordered the B3121 ("21" for 21 lbs) and will try installing it this weekend. I'll report back later. I'm thinking it may not require any special mounts as its height and depth dimensions are not that far off of the Optima I have in the car now.

    By the way, the B3121 is described on the Braille website as "the perfect model for those who want to shave half the weight of a standard Group 34 battery and still have enough power to crank over a large V8. Used in everything from large Harley Davidsons to Corvettes & Vipers." Most of the lighter Braille batteries are identified as being for racing use or small cylinder engines only.
     
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    Would a 4.3L V8 not be considered small cylinder? I'm leaning towards the Braille 2015 (or Deka variant) if there's a bracket that will work. I had one in my '06 Gallardo SE and it worked well enough.

    Appreciate everyone's posts on the matter.
     
  22. MaranelloDave

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    I meant a small number of cylinders. The B2015 is described on the Braille site as follows:

    "At under 15 pounds, the B2015 is out most popular non-carbon racing battery. It is able to start larger engines easily for racing and offers daily driving capability for 4 cylinder motors with ease. With 1067 pulse cranking amps this has enough power to start more than any other battery in its weight class."

    You might be fine with the B2015, but I wanted the additional cranking power and reserve of the B3121. It's only an additional 6 lbs. Note that if you go with the B2015, you will need to figure out a way to secure it. It wouldn't be difficult to come up with a solution, but it's definitely too small to be plug and play.
     
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    ah, gotcha on the cylinder count. 21 sounds like a great option for our Scuds.
     
  24. F430Rod

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    Forgot to provide an update on this thread. So far so good with the Braille battery. I used the Braille J hooks but bent them to an L shape so they fit under the two oval holes from the standard Ferrari metal battery mount. I used some wooden blocks in the back and some zip ties to strap securely. I forgot to take pics though.
     
  25. timemachine

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    Hey Rod,
    Can you take a couple pics of how you mounted it? I used the exact battery in my Testarossa and it cranks the V12 over perfectly. I made up an adapter out of balsa wood to support it.
    Thx,
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