Is there a thread on this for besides the obvious i.e Seats & Exhaust ? i.e I can attest that the interior sound proofing material under the front carpets weighs many lbs and is completely unnecessary.
That might be my thread ("Are there any gutted out F430's") you're talking about. I put it in the racing/track event section. I've been wondering about the sound deadening material in the interior. Is it just padding under the carpet...or is it like a sprayed on coating (like undercoating)?? That's what my 911 and Sport Quattro chassis had...it was a ***** to remove, but there was a good amount of weight savings there. I'd say the Porsche and Audi had about 25 pounds each...any guess as to how much weight we're talking about in the F430?? I'll be doing my own snooping around once I get the car...but I don't have it yet! I guess I'm just trying to have a game plan in place so I can jump right into the project once I find the right car....which is proving to be difficult!! Anyway, thanks for the comment, RichardCH! Anybody else have any comments about weight savings?
The most useful place to remove weight is from unsprung rotational mass (Rotating mass not supported by the chassis; includes wheels and rotors etc) Saving 10 lbs per corner on a lighter set of wheels/tires/brakes will always make for a more noticeable performance change than taking 40 pounds off of the chassis. By doing wheels/tires/brakes you will be improving acceleration, braking and handling. I really think the best bang for your buck is a nice set of light wheels.
Hahaha, driver needs a diet, too! It's just easier to strip it out of a car than it is to give up bacon! I know, Evan, I'll be getting wheels/tires. I'll be talking to you about an exhaust though
I replaced my stock exhaust with Tubi racing exaust. easily Saved 20 Ibs right there plus the symphony to boost.
Just realised the Alloy Gas Pedal and Brake Pedal are not drilled like on the SCUD /CS, its the same item, just needs drilling but don't do all the holes there is a OEM pattern (I'll post a pic). This is more for aesthetics by the way .....
Good to hear that the sound deadening under the carpets just pulls out. The stuff in my 911 and my Sport Quattro had to be heated with a torch and then scraped out. Really messy job. Well, since Challenge bumpers have been mentioned, I might as well mention that I'm leaning towards putting a rear one on. If the car I find doesn't come with the rear Challenge Grille...which I want...I realize that I'll be forced to buy the rear bumper as well as the grille. And since I'll be getting an exhaust anyway...and since I prefer the look of the Challenge/Scud exhaust over where the stock one exits....I'll just get a Scud or Challenge exhaust. I realize the difficulty in fitting this exhaust to the car (drilling the rear crossmember, etc) but I'm up for it. I've been hesitant to mention this mod because I didn't want to start an argument with any purists that might disagree with me! hahaha
I guess it depends on how extreme you want to go, carpet and sound proofing is a lot of weight. Seats, exhaust, wheels can all be changed for lighter versions. Centre bolt wheels and hubs are about the lightest you can go. Carbon fibre parts over the standard saves a bit of weight, challenger doors are fibreglass, they are really light weight. Interior door panels can be replaced with scud or challenger parts, with some fettling. Carbon fibre front and rear bumpers, carbon side skirts. Carbon engine lid with plexi glass. Scud alcantra dash and a few other scud bits can be fitted. Thats about it I can think of, without removing parts that are needed or will remove the look of the car, like the engine bay panels, not needed, but make the engine bay look nice. Neil
I wonder how much the Scuderia / Challenge carbon fiber door panels cost?? Yeah, you're right though...how extreme do I want to go? Right now I'm figuring carpet, sound deadening, seats, exhaust. Like I mentioned above, I'll do the Challenge rear bumper if the car I find doesn't have the Challenge grille. Doing the wheels (standard lugs, not center lock) no matter what...just to suit my taste. I know what I want, I just hope they're lighter than stock! I'm also wondering about the headliner and what kind of sound deadening is under there. And how tough the headliner will be to replace when the time comes to sell the car?? I've already been told by my long suffering girlfriend that I have to keep the ac system...so that has to stay! hahaha
Guys When I built up a mountain bike, people sell parts that are lighter in weight (its a selling point !!) so it took just a few clicks to get the weight of everything even individual titanium bolts and this helps you deicide what components to buy, or decide what to keep on the bike or if its worth spending x£$ if the weight saving is only a few grams. I have done a few mods to my 430 and I struggled to find out how much anything weighs. Believe me I trawled the net looking for data and there isn't much weight detail out there. I think it would be a good idea to keep a data base on how heavy things are on 360/430 cars. this would help people decide what do if changing bits uprating etc. I am lucky that my 430 had just about every carbon part you could get as factory fit along with carbon seats, aluminium brake bells with carbon brakes, so I was starting off with a car that was a little lighter. I have changed a few components and weighed everything I have changed so far. If it possible to load a spreadsheet where people can add weights of anything they change then keep this as a sticky where it could become to definitive weight guide ? I have just got some scuderia anti sway bars which are meant to be a bit lighter, as well as stiffer at the rear I will add these to my list once I can weigh the standard bars. Here is the detail from my spreadsheet - its a bit messy as it was just for my own use but if it gets attached its a starter. The lighter car is always nicer to drive.....as long as you keep the girlfriend options (aircon/carpets/etc) !! I have a supercharged elise with 400 BHP and it weighs about 750 kilos - that's about half the weight of my 430 and it would just eat the 430 on a track. Simon Image Unavailable, Please Login
Any sports car lover should know less weight gives more dynamics than any other trait in a sports car. Weight loss from stock USA F430 in Pounds Most I weighed my self the rest based on what I saw online. Battery 20-40 Racing seats 40-60 Remove oe stereo 25-40 Gut front windshield reservoir fluid (13-15) tank (3) and hoses (4) 20-25 Remove tools and accessories from front trunk 10-15 European or challenge front bumper 15-20 Rear Challenge bumper 5-15 Carbon mirrors 3-10 Catless headers and capristo exhaust brackets 20 Carbon Ceramic brakes 45 BBS FI 30 TI Lugs 3 Carbon diffuser 25-35 Carbon engine panels 5-10 Carbon airbox 5-15 Exhaust box and tips 20-30 The above is what i have done to my car. Around 280-350 LBS lost hopefully. I weighed most of the stuff I changed out but did not weigh the car completely stock. I will measure the weight soon but it feels very very light. Little things all add up! Car is still very normal still minus radio delete and everything reversible. I use a JL Flip bluetooth boom box with my phone as my radio and it sounds many times better than the stock system. Still possible to do. f430 door panels without speakers= 13# each Scuderia door panels without speakers = 6# each F430 Challenge door panels = 3# each Savings 14-20# from door panel. I have the f430 challenge door panels. still thinking about installing it or not. More Commitment Remove Muffler Canister 20# Remove Cats and replace with test pipes 20-25# Gutting automatic doors can save around 30# Remove carpet and sound deadening on floors =20 # Remove sound deadening from rear fire wall = 10# Remove sound deadening from rear hatch = 10# Remove Passenger Seat 15-40# AC weighs 47# Still haven't used lexan windshield, hatch glass, side and quarter windows or carbon body panels. Latter is not worth the cost savings ratio probably. Also note that if your F-1 system needs new components other than a clutch you may end up being cheaper doing a manual swap AND save around 40# Based on what I remember F430 Challenge car weights about 2850 with full tank of gas and all fluids and no driver. Scuds weigh around 3150 LBS full tank no driver. F430 3350 LBS full tank no driver. All USA Spec.
Now we're rockin' is right! Good going Simon and akshon! I think a sticky with component weights is an awesome idea...after all, there's got to be more than three or four of us interested in lightening these cars.
If you are thinking about the resale value of the car then there is a lot you shouldn't do, for example the headlining. I doubt there is a big market for stripped out Ferrari's. Best to look at what parts you can remove and maybe put back on if you sell the car, the upgraded parts are generally worth more sold separately than sold with the car. So best thing to do is replace stock parts, keep the stock parts and then refit the upgraded parts with the stock parts when you sell the car, then sell the upgraded parts. You can remove around 100 pounds of weight without greatly effecting the car. As you are looking for a 430, try and find one with racing seats and Carbon brakes, as these parts are the most expensive to fit yourself. Most of the carbon fiber bits are cheap compared with these, the exception is the carbon engine lid, but it's rare to find a 430 with it fitted. The Scud wheels are another good weight saving without effecting the car. Neil
Thanks Neil, that's the plan....remove the mods (or most of them) and replace the stock bits when it's time to sell. As for the headliner, is it that tough to replace? I've done others without too much effort. That being said though, I doubt I'll touch it if there isn't much sound deadening underneath it. There's also another aspect to my way of thinking as well...if I find the right color car with what I consider an ugly color interior...strip it out and put it on a shelf until resale time.
How much sound deading is behind the Upper Rear Fire Wall / Bulkhead ? I have already removed that on the lower section behind the seat rails
There is not much weight in the headliner, but the leather covers around the A and B pillars and around the rear window are heavy, as it's leather on top of fiberglass. The scud ones are alcantra, but no reason you have to have them fitted. The best colour interior option is likely to be black, as nearly all Scud parts for sale are black with yellow stitching, so this would match a black interior. At least in the UK the scud interior parts are nearly always black. There is a complete scud interior for sale on ebay UK at the moment. A scud interior would not effect the resale I believe, the scud door panels in carbon look great in a black interior, but are not cheap. Is it not easier to buy a scud? Weight saving built-in. ;-) Neil
Hi Neil- If I could get a Scud with a manual gearbox, I'd already be driving it! Yeah, black interior is definitely what I want. Curious about the cost of a full Scud interior...think I'll check ebay UK....I'll make sure someone is here to catch me when I faint! Hi RichardCH- How much do you think the sound deadening on the rear bulkhead weighed? Was it worth the effort?
George The ebay uk scud interior is probably from Charles Church breakers. They have broken a few scuds recently. Charles Church no longer have the scud front and rear anti roll bars (sway bars) as I have just got them !!! - they are meant to be lighter in weight (I will weigh them) and the rear stiffer by 20% ??? I think they are good guys to deal with as the bits were as described and I though cheap, as I paid £270 for both bars and they came with drop links and brackets for the fronts. Simon
Hi Simon- You guys over on your side of the world have more fun than us! Good goin' on the f and r anti roll bars! Sounds like a good price! Man, prices for Ferrari parts are crazy! That's probably the biggest shock for me as I've never paid any attention to the Ferrari market prior to my decision to get one recently. Upgraded Porsche and BMW parts prices are nothing compared to Ferrari parts....and in all honesty, I think it's an unfair mark up! After all, springs are springs, shocks are shocks....why should one cost twice as much because it has a horse on it! Just speaking in generalities here. Anyway, like the old saying goes..."you have to pay if you want to play." I'm prepared to pay the price...doesn't mean I have to like it though!
