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Redline Water Wetter - nice difference

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  1. rtking

    rtking Formula Junior

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    After changing my coolant hoses, I added Redline Water Wetter to the cooling system along with a gallon of antifreeze and topped the cooling system off with water. My Mondial used to fluctuate around the 200 degree mark (+/- 5-10 degrees, but usually +) With the Water Wetter, I am steady at 195. Very comforting to know that the engine is cool and that the coolant hoses are new.

    Bob
     
  2. miketuason

    miketuason F1 World Champ
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    Yes, it's nice to have a peace of mind or worry free feelings:)
     
  3. KKRace

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    Griffin is one of the leading manufactures of radiators for racing. This is from the FAQ section on griffins website. I guess you'd have to talk with them to see how they came up to that conclusion.


    12) Should I run Redline "water wetter" in your radiator?
    Redline "water wetter" is more costly than premium antifreeze, with no apparent advantages.

    http://www.griffinrad.com/faq.php
     
  4. rtking

    rtking Formula Junior

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    Interesting. I have used Griffin radiators in the past on my other car projecs (Mustangs.) I have had good success using Redline Water Wetter with no ill effects. It's intersting that they say that it doesn't provide any advantages since I'm clearly seeing some advantages. My Mustang SVO ran cooler and the water temps were more stable, even under track conditions, with Water Wetter. I've used it in the SVO for years. The Mondial is responding with stable and consistently lower water temps as well. Of course, I do not use a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water either. With my SVO, it's water wetter and water only. On the Mondial, it's 1 gallon of antifreeze, about 4 gallons of water and 1 bottle of Water Wetter. Since Water Wetter is inexpensive and doesn't hurt, why not, right?
     
  5. eulk328

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    Antifreeze does not transfer heat as well as plain water so you may very well be seeing lower temperatures simply because you are not using antifreeze or not using as much as usual in the case of the Mondial. Also, cooler running doesn't mean it is better. Engines are designed to run in a certain temperature "window." Hotter is not good and cooler is not good. Too many people think the cooler they can get their engine to run the better. Not always true/correct.


     
  6. rtking

    rtking Formula Junior

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    Correct. That is the function of the thermostat to regulate temperature. But better to have extra cooling capacity (i.e. ability to cool the coolant more quickly) than not.

    It should be stated that straight water is the most effective, but it does not provide any lubricating properties and does cause corrosion. The ethylene glycol is not as efficient a cooling medium as water, but provides the lubrication and anti-corrosive properties along with the anti-freezing property. Since I don't need to worry about freezing, the coolant mix I am using is going to be more effective since it contains 20% antifreeze, 80% water and a bottle of water wetter.

    Because my temperature gauge would fluctuate before (which was about 30% antifreeze, 70% water) after having a service performed, it is my belief that the cooling system's ability to keep the car at a specified temperature (195 degree thermostat) was marginal. Now, after servicing my coolant hoses (no impact on cooling) and adding my mixture of coolant my temperature gauge is stable at 195 degrees. This indicates to me that the cooling system is now operating efficiently in transferring heat and the thermostat is managing coolant temps at 195 degrees.
     
  7. jagjet

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    #7 jagjet, Oct 29, 2007
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    FWIW lads

    Photoflo a kodak product is the same basically as WW. It contains glycerin which tricks the water molecule and removes the surface tension allowing the water to have more contact area in the water jackets. This of course allows for more cooling and heat transfer whatever mix you are using.

    Usually high and low temps today are worrysome due to Nox and co and co2 emmision althought improved combustion has a narrow window of about 15-20 degrees.


    Thermostats make the engine reach its optimum performance temp and the radiator, water and additives try to keep it there.

    Cheers
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  8. Ken

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    This is sort of true, but not a complete answer. Water can absorb the most heat per unit volume, so it will have the best cooling capacity BUT using an antifreeze will raise the boiling point. That means if the system isn't working well, the antifreeze may prevent a boil over. Thing is, if you had just water you might not have needed the higher boiling point to begin with!

    When I started using Water Wetter in my Lotus I saw a few degrees C lower temp. which is always good in an old Lotus. My car runs at 88C which is right where it should be. Used to be 90C. I also use about 60% water and 40% coolant as we get cold winters here! I'd use just water and water wetter if we didn't ever get below freezing.

    Ken
     
  9. Dictys

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    I replaced my chargecooler fluid with "water wetter" on my Esprit, it made a huge difference in performance as it dropped the temp of the incoming air and thus gave me more power.

    In the main coolant system, it dropped the temp by a few degrees, but not that noticeable.
     
  10. BigTex

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    Royal Purple makes a similar product also, "Purple Ice".......it helps with electrolysis and corrosion as well......I use it and 50-50.
     
  11. KKRace

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    Now you all have made me curious. I'll send an email to griffin and post a copy of the response.
     
  12. FasterIsBetter

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    I suspect that they are talking about water and WW only, no anti-freeze. If you are racing, many tracks or sponsoring organizations do not allow anti-freeze, because it is so slick and a spill requires cleaning the track. If a hose blows with just water and WW, no problem as far as the track surface is concerned.

    For ordinary use, however, you really need anti-freeze in the block, especially in an aluminum engine. Water alone is highly corrosive, and you run the risk of cavitation at the water pump and other damage to your block. Anti-freeze contains a lot of additives that protect the metal surfaces, particularly the aluminum. A friend of mine who is an engineer did some extensive testing on various mixtures, and when all was said and done, his conclusion was that the best combination for cooling, corrosion protection, overheating (boiling), etc. is a 50/50 mix of anti-freeze and deionized water, plus 1 bottle of Water Wetter. The main benefit of WW is to break down the surface tension of the mixture and promote adhesion of the flow to the walls of the water jacket and radiator, increasing heat transfer (improves efficiency of the system). The 50/50 mix of water and anti-freeze optimizes the compromise between heat transfer and boiling point.

    I've been running 50/50 + WW in all my cars for some time now, and they all stay well within limits even on the hottest days. IMHO, that's the way to go.

    p.s. I use regular Prestone green anti-freeze, not that orange long-life stuff and find it works just fine. Since I usually flush the radiators and block every two years anyway, I don't care about having a long term anti-freeze in there.
     

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