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Red VHT Wrinkle Paint

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  1. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    Why is it that nobody in the entire Bay area of 4 million people have a can of Red Wrinkle Paint from VHT or Krylon?

    Any ideas, other than Amazon?
     
  2. ramosel

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    Because so many tree huggers live in the Bay Area and you can't sell certain paints with certain components or propellants because the (dare I say Liberal) politicians made it so.

    Yes, Amazon, Eastwood, Jegs, Summit Racing

    Rick
     
  3. plugzit

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    Had to order mine online-ordered a case (6), then was very disappointed in the performance of the paint-maybe I got a bad batch or didn't do it properly, but it refused to wrinkle except in small isolated areas. Oops, not that I think about it, it was Krylon. Just ignore me, I'm old.....
     
  4. MaterMech

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    I bought some off the shelf here in San Jose and it was no good. People don't stock it because nobody generally buys it. Order it from an automotive paint supplier such as Center Paint, or East Bay Color here in San Jose. I prefer the red wrinkle powder coating much more than rattle cans.
     
  5. FERRARI-TECH

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    what ever you need painted sent it to Dave @ premier motorsports. The Rattle can stuff just isnt the same. Premier do all my cam covers, intakes, callipers etc as well as all the big stuff as well. Better that factory and wont flake
     
  6. Frari

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    Noticed any alley dwellers with red noses?
    Most likely the greeney do gooders have had it outlawed.
     
  7. duck.co.za

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    I've had great success with VHT . I'll post some pic's when I have chance . Did the drysump tank and airfilter housing .
     
  8. FasterIsBetter

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    Good alternative: Move to New Jersey. Almost every auto parts store, and especially the "speed shops", carry VHT spray paints. And all of the Home Depots around here carry the Krylon paints, including the "wrinkle" type. I suspect that the Republic of Kalifornication has banned all wrinkle paints as being abhorent to the human race, or something like that. Here in Joisey, the Superfund capital of the world, you can get anything you want.
     
  9. mwr4440

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    Is Krylon gas and oil resistant (unlike enamel)?
     
  10. FasterIsBetter

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    #10 FasterIsBetter, Mar 30, 2011
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    I don't want to say for sure, but what I can tell you is that I've used Krylon and Rustolium paints to do various car parts over the years, and never had a problem. Things like the expansion tank/header tank, A-frames, valve covers, timing belt covers, etc., that get oil spilled on them from time to time, and never had any problem with paint pealing. The trick is to clean your parts really thoroughly before painting, and use a good quality metal primer (I use the Rustolium primer), and follow the directions on the can. Be especially careful of the temperature range for the paint. If you are too cold or too hot, it won't set up right, and then you'll have problems.
     
  11. yelcab

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    I find it surprising that all automotive places have the VHT Black wrinkle paint but not the red ones. So, it is not all about california. Is there something in the red pigment that is outlaw? At a time when eating sushi from Japan is a little risky, I find it amusing to worry about red paint.
     
  12. tomoshea

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    #12 tomoshea, Mar 30, 2011
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    Below,

    Completed with red primer first and then VHT direct, left in oven at moderate heat (best not to tell the wife) very good finish and still no issues 4 years later.
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  13. MaterMech

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    price including stripping the old paint, but did not include dremeling off the raised areas.
     
  16. FasterIsBetter

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    #16 FasterIsBetter, Mar 30, 2011
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    I didn't have anyone I knew to powder coat, so I just did the cam and timing belt covers with VHT. The trick with VHT is to be sure the air temp is warm enough, or the stuff won't crinkle very well.
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  17. smg2

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    VHT paint 'blows' - however aside from powder coating or getting a paint supplier to "hook" you up with enamel and urethane to get the wrinkle from the difference in 'flash' points, that's about the only choice we have.

    for colors other red I recommend seymoure paints, their wrinkle paint is a vinyl resin that is resistant to chemicals. and wrinkles flawlessly every time as opposed to VHT hit or miss.

    one trick with VHT is make sure the part being painted isn't cold set in the sun or warm to ~100*F apply multiple coats about 5~8 min apart and med/heavy but not heavy enough to run. it'll take about 5 coats. dry time will be about a 24hrs. baking will cause very small wrinkles as the paint will flash off fast, also don't paint in the sun as that flashes too fast to get the wrinkle.

    with the seymour it's paint as normal and it'll wrinkle within an hour beautifully.
     
  18. Brian Harper

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    #18 Brian Harper, Mar 30, 2011
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    I bought wrinkle red and black in spray cans at Winchester Auto a couple of years ago. I don't think there are any in your neighborhood, but it is only a few miles to their Campbell store. It worked fine. They key is warmth. It doesn't wrinkle right when it is cold. Today would have been a good day to paint!

    The belt cover in back wrinkled nicely. The cam cover is still wet, just painted. The gray box in the corner is a heater to make nice wrinkles.
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  19. mwr4440

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    $30 Bucks?????? Lucky Duck !!!


    I'd be darn lucky to find someone over here to do it for less than EU 300 !!!!!
     
  20. yelcab

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    I would have done it for $30...

    The quote I got is $150. I am sure some of that is with a Ferrari Tax but it would be hard to say that this Ferrari cover is from a Fiat.

    Instead, I already sprung $25 on a craigslist oven, $20 in gas picking it up, another $15 for the paint if I can find it.
     
  21. eurogt4

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    If you can't get the red where you are, I tried this on a Maserati. I used the black until I had a nice wrinke finish. After it dried, I painted it with regular red paint. Turned out not too bad.
     
  22. Nurburgringer

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    ~1.5 years ago had my 308's cam and belt covers (red wrinkle) and coolant tank, motor mounts, 2 suspension arms and 1 sway bar (smooth black) powder coated for $100. I sand blasted them first. Came out great. Only been been driving for ~2000 miles since so can't really comment on the longevity.
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286145

    This winter for the cam cover and intake on my '86 CRX I used black VHT wrinkle paint. Also sandblasted first, pre-warmed the parts in the sun then gently went over it with a heat gun a few times over the course of ~45 minutes after the last coat.
    Also a very nice finish, we'll see how it holds up.
    Pics here, at vairous times after the final coat to see the wrinkling in action:
    http://www.redpepperracing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=50810
     

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