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Red top Optima - Ctek 7002 battery maintainer issue

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  1. mjz

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    My Ctek 7002 battery tender is clicking a great deal and pulsing the voltage every 10 seconds or so on my red top Optima (3 years old). I moved the charger to another battery I have which is brand new and fully charged. When I plugged in the charger and set it to the flooded setting (i.e. not AGM), the charger clicked like crazy and never moved off the first led. I unplugged it and reset it and then it started to work by moving quickly up the lights and then to green. But when it went to the maintain mode (green light), it started clicking again. Each click corresponded to a voltage pulse up and then decay. Every few seconds. It never use to do that . When I put a battery tender plus on the flooded acid battery it quickly goes to green and just stays that way.

    I thought this behavior should take a lot longer than every few seconds. My question is - is the Ctek on its way out? I'm hesitant to get a battery tender plus for my Optima battery because I don't fully understand how the unit knows the red top is an AGM battery. The Ctek has a specific setting. I thought about buying a new Ctek, but this is the second time these units flaked out on me.

    Suggestions - experience?

    Thanks
     
  2. jrodrig688

    jrodrig688 Formula Junior

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    I will check what model ctek I have. Bought it like 4 years ago. Always have used it with optima red. No issues. No noises.
     
  3. f355spider

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    #3 f355spider, Feb 25, 2018
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    AGM batteries do not require an AGM specific setting on the battery tender. Some battery tenders have developed AGM specific charging profiles, none of the AGM battery manufacturers specifically require them. Some do say that AGM specific charging profiles may help restore a deeply discharged AGM battery, and may enhance battery life.

    I retired my factory Ferrari/Ctek charger as it too, was acting strangely. I've seen enough complaints here and on other forums to not have much confidence in them. I have successfully been using a Granite Battery Saver that Brian Crall recommends (Rifledriver). They have recently updated them to eliminate the dip switches, making them "plug and play" simple. The 25 watt version with the LCD display is similar to the older version I have with the dip switches.
    https://www.batterysaver.com/store/p16/3015-lcd
     
  4. f355spider

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    BTW, there is a new brand NOCO I see being marketed that looks very interesting, and packed with features. They make several versions, but the 3500 model seems to have the most features and sits in the "middle" of their line up with a useful 3.5amp charging rate: https://no.co/g3500 I just wonder if it is very reliable or long lasting.
    It not only has an AGM charging profile, but also a lithium ion setting. It also have a "motorcycle" or small battery setting, all of which makes it very versatile.
    But again, being so new, who knows if it really does everything it claims, and will last a long time or not?

    I have been using my Granite Battery Saver for about four years now, and have no complaints. It is compatible with AGM batteries and ruggedly constructed.
     
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  6. f355spider

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    Dan, that is awesome to hear it works well...I am tempted to get one...just cause I like to play around with them, and own several different ones.

    BTW, to the OP, one of my favorites I have been using for many years is an older Griots Garage Battery Manager IV (3.5amp charging rate). It has been around for a long time, and Griot's is offering a very good price on them right now, only $45 (and their standard lifetime warranty!) https://www.griotsgarage.com/product/battery+manager+4.do It is also compatible with AGM batteries, and while I have been using it with my BMW for the past 6 years or more, I recently swapped it over to using with my 430 Scuderia which has a red top Optima, and it continues to give great service.
     
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  7. mjz

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    Thanks all -
    I decided to buy the NOCO 3500 which will arrive in a couple of days. In the mean time I disconnected the Ctek 7002 which I believe is faulty.

    When I went out to the car (God, I love looking at that car! (and driving it) - the Ctek light fell back to charge (no longer green) and clicking almost non-stop. When I disconnected it and tested the battery voltage it was at 14.58 volts. It is overcharging the battery. There is something wrong with the relay circuitry. No more Ctek's for me. They are not long term reliable. We'll see how the NOCO performs.
     
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  8. whatheheck

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    I think you will like the NOCO 3500. As I mentioned I've had mine for over 3 years and it works flawlessly.
    Just make sure you select the type of battery you have hooked up to it.

    Also, if you are not in a hurry, a lower amp recharge is better than high current charging. Fast charge cooks the battery.

    And also always remember to replace your battery preventively every 4 years max.
    Battery usually dies when least expected and as you may have read here, our cars are not a fan of being jump started as it could cook the ECU's in the car.
    Our cars electrical system is very sensitive to voltage fluctuations so ensure you're battery is always good.

    I cant recommend lead acid as when it leaks it will eat the floor metal. Ask me how I know.
    I like AGM's. They are sealed, no vent tube required and no possible leaks.

    Hope that helps.

    And yes, me too, I go down to my garage each night before I go to bed to admire that beautiful car sitting in my garage that it is mine and worked very hard for.
    A dream car come true for me.

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  9. Eric C

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    I have the Ctek 3300 with my red top and it works great. Except my wife ran it over a few weeks ago so I need to buy a new one.
     
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    This is what I use and have been very happy with it....plug and play....no worries.
     
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  11. mjz

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    Hi Dan - thanks for the reply. I bought the NOCO g3500 and it arrived today. I plugged it in and it did its thing although you can trick it. When I first connected it to my fully charged battery, it went to 50% pretty quick, but then got stuck at 75% (blinking LED) for hours. Voltage was firm at 13.55 V (AGM setting). I had no idea if this is normal or not, but felt it should not have taken long to get to 100% since the battery was already topped up. So I disconnected it and started again out of curiosity. This time within a minute it went all the way up the LED curve and started to blink green at 100%. It never went solid and it is still blinking green. Voltage has dropped back to 12.98 V and holding. Battery is red top Optima, 3 years old. I'll leave it this way and check in the morning.

    You have a beauty in the stable! Any reason why you leave the top down? I was told to leave the top in full closed position so the canvas stays stretched and all is locked down. I only take the top down when I am driving and the weather is nice - which it is now in Houston - finally. Birds having sex and flowers popping. All good.
     
  12. f355spider

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    There is no harm with top down continuously in my experience. I owned a 1997 F355 spider for over 10 years and only put the top up to wash it, or for two to three week stretches in winter. I drove top down, even in winter, as long as it wasn't raining or snowing. I sold the car in 2014 with the original top still in great condition, no puckers or issues.
     
  13. whatheheck

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    Thanks for the compliments!

    NOCO Battery charger:
    It's design is to slow charge the AGM battery.
    As I mentioned, fast charge/ high current charge shortens the life of the battery as the battery gets hot.

    NOCO charges at low current and will take overnight to fully charge.
    Just plug it in, select AGM and leave it on and let it do its job.
    The next day it will light up green and will show fully charge. That is by design.

    Capote roof top:
    Great question. When I go out for a drive, its usually top down. When I park it in garage, its usually top up to stretch the fabric back.

    But there are times I want to work inside my car that I just leave the top down while parked inside the garage No harm in doing that.

    Hope that helps.

    Dan
     
  14. mjz

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    Follow-up ...

    I have had the NOCO G3500 connected a few days now and notice the green light continues to blink.
    According to the manual, it blinks when it is still topping off and not done charging. I thought it would have gone solid green by now.

    Is this normal for it to blink green for days and days? The other LED lights are off.

    Thanks
     
  15. whatheheck

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    Yes, the green light will continue to blink until the attached battery is fully charged.

    I usually get a green light after a full day of the charger being hooked up.

    How old is your battery?
    When was the last time you drove it?

    Dan
     
  16. mjz

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    My Optima red top is 3 years old. I drove the car a week ago. Battery cranks great - always been on a 'float tender' from the day I bought it when car was not in use.

    The green light has been blinking now for a couple of days.
     
  17. whatheheck

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    Kindly double check all your charger settings.

    Is your battery AGM or Lead Acid? Do you have that set correctly?
    Do you have it set to 12V instead of 6V?

    BTW, my experience with car batteries is they only last maximum of 4 years.
    I recommend replacing them before 4 years is up or one day it will just leave you stranded somewhere.

    I would give it another day if I were you.

    Now if you have it hooked up after 4 days and its still blinking green then my recommendation is to return it to Amazon as defective and get a new one as replacement. Amazon easy returns.
     
  18. mjz

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    Well - after 5 years, my G3500 flaked out. It is no longer reliable. Overnight the light goes to amber, I unplug it, plug it back in and it starts the sequence over getting to the green light pretty quickly (battery was already charged), but then an hour or so later goes to amber again. This just started happening. I also noticed that the float voltage when green is 12.7v. I expected it to be around 13.1v.

    Can someone verify the float voltage for the AGM setting on the G3500?

    (side note, my old Ctek 7002 which this G3500 replaced, was repaired by Ctek at no charge and I am back using it now instead of the G3500! )
     
  19. f355spider

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    Faster response from the manufacturer:
    NOCO - Support
     

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