As some of the fellow FChatters responded I would like to add: Indycar involves an ICE unit. F1 currently involves an ICE unit and 2 motor generating units (one from the rear axle under braking (K-kinetic) and one from the turbo (H-heat). Both MGU's charge up batteries and the system deploys KW into HP. One system (K) is limited due to braking while the other (H) is constant. The hybrid costs millions to make and even more if you throw in R&D.
It’s R&D that benefits the auto manufacturers, and is therefore, a smart investment. A Prius harvests kinetic energy when the brakes are applied above ten mph. It’s not wasted knowledge...it’s a clear path to making existing road technologies even better.
Renault hits back at Red Bull fury AUGUST 1, 2018 Any niceties between Red Bull and Renault are now in the past. The two parties are splitting at the end of the year, with Red Bull moving to works Honda power. But tempers are fraying, as team boss Christian Horner and driver Max Verstappen unloaded fury on Renault following another technical problem in Hungary. "I'll leave it to Cyril to give the excuses," Speed Week quotes Horner as saying. But Cyril Abiteboul, the Renault team boss, did not hit back with an excuse, but rather a message of resignation about the fading Red Bull partnership. "We haven't read what Christian Horner says about us since 2015," said the Frenchman. "It's very clear that we have nothing to do with them anymore," he added. "They have a new engine partner who pays a lot of money to get their product on board, and I wish them good luck. That's all I have to say," Abiteboul said. As for Horner's complaints about the MGU-K unit, however, Abiteboul insists Red Bull has some blame as well. "We switched to an improved MGU-K in Monaco," he revealed. "Red Bull does not use them because the installation of the car is different. "But with the new MGU-K we have the temperatures much better under control and there were no problems in our cars. But we cannot force Red Bull to use it."
Daniel Ricciardo has set a new deadline for confirming his contract extension with the Red Bull Formula 1 team after initially expecting to sign before the summer break. Ricciardo had said he hoped to have his future sorted before the four-week break, while Red Bull intimated a deal was close back at the end of June. However, with Ricciardo completing his pre-summer duties on day one of F1's post-Hungarian GP test, he will head into his holidays without an announcement being made. The Australian is now "definitely" expecting that to happen in August, either before or during the Belgian Grand Prix weekend at the end of the month. Asked by Autosport if something had complicated what looked like a simple renewal, Ricciardo laughed and said: "Did it look simple? I was just making it up so you guys would stop asking me." He added: "It will definitely be done by Spa. Whether it gets announced over the summer break or in Spa [I don't know]. "[It's] just a little bit of fine-tuning here and there. It's all good. "You'll hear something soon I'm sure." https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137774/ricciardo-sets-new-contract-deadline-after-delay
Whatever leverage Daniel had at RBR is gone at this point. His choice is to either agree to what management is offering or sign with a lesser team.
Not sure if folks have seen this, but it is interesting to see that Red Bull is using an outdated MGU-K in order to fit it in their aero "packaging". https://wtf1.com/post/red-bull-apparently-has-to-run-outdated-parts-on-the-renault-power-unit/
This is what Abbiteboul accuses them of: they complain about the Renault engine, but refuse the updates. Renault chief Abbiteboul said that Red Bull use some components beyond their life span, and then accuse Renault fort failure. Good luck with Honda next year!!
Well, please just leave then LOL - https://www.planetf1.com/news/marko-red-bull-will-leave-f1-if-honda-fails/ Marko: ‘Red Bull will leave F1 if Honda fails’
Sure does. FWIW I don't really take much note of what either Marko or Mateschitz spout. There's a lot of empty threats. I'll believe it when I see them setting up a rival series...Their F1 team more than pays for itself on marketing alone.
No point finishing 2018 season says Ricciardo OCTOBER 29, 2018 Daniel Ricciardo sounded ready to quit Red Bull immediately, after yet another disappointing day in the 2018 car. "I'm a very positive guy," the Australian said after another technical problem in Mexico, having started the race from pole but ultimately watching teammate Max Verstappen win. "But I can only be that positive for so long. My love for this car is diminishing very quickly." Ricciardo is leaving Red Bull for Renault after the 2018 finale in Abu Dhabi, but he sounds willing to quit the team immediately. "It's not frustration anymore. It feels hopeless," he said. "Honestly, I don't see the point of coming on Sunday. I don't see the point of doing the next two races. "I'm not superstitious or any of that bullsh*t, but the car's cursed. Just things are happening on Sundays that I've got no more explanation for. "This car ... I'll let Gasly drive it. I'm done with it," Ricciardo concluded.
How have the transmissions from Verstappen and the Red Bull brain trust regarding his engine settings after Ricciardo's retirement gone un-noticed? On the first transmission, the SKY crew glossed over it but when Verstappen radioed again asking about his engine settings and he got "We've turned down the engine" back from the pit wall, it wasn't lost on Croft and Brundle. They may have said this just to placate Verstappen so he'd get on with the program but since it was mentioned twice, this opens up some potential rules infractions does it not? Had this been a Vettel or Raikkonen radio conversation the Internet would be lit up about it this morning. Pit to car telemetry is not allowed in F1 so if Newey & Co. have found a way around this rule, what else don't we know about the current cars? BHW
You can't blame Daniel for being dispirited but I am surprised that he seems prepared to walk away. The number of mechanical failures that his car has suffered is most unusual. Some form of sabotage by the team--is that plausible?
I don't think its sabotage, but's it's crazy that all the problems that affect his car does not affect Max's. I could see how some would smell a rat.
Verstappen suffered the same problem (if I'm not mistaken) in free practice. Ricciardo broke down more often than Kvyat and I don't think that they had any favoritism for the Russian. Sometimes **** just happens . Having said that, it's quite obvious that nobody at Red Bull gives a **** about Ricciardo right now.
For the record, Max sufferred a hydraulic line failure in free practice at the Mexican GP. DR suffered a clutch failure during the race. Going back to DR's and Max's DNF's or failures, one would have to see how many of those are PU failures and/or other components that failed. When DR pulled over during the Mexican GP 2018, I was almost quick to jump on the Renault PU but held back.
Strange though as the smoke behind the car normally is a sign af an (bank) engine failure. Isn’t this a smoke screen to cover up another Renault failure? Ciao Oscar
To me it looked like the start of a turbo failure...first a puff of blue smoke then BAAAANG alot of smoke. We'll know for sure IF it was a PU failure (grid penalty next GP) but"for the record" it's a clutch failure.
RB is not likely to cover up any Renault failure since they are happily switching to Honda. According to RB, Renault is a crap engine even though they managed to win four times with it this year - we'll see what they will do next year.
As far as I remember Horner told Max soon after that he does not need to have the fastest lap and that he should take it easy when all of the sudden the gap between him and Seb was getting bigger again.... I do not think that RB has tuned down anything, they just tried to calm Max down. I think they even told him what engine setting he should use to the end. So I think nothing fishy was going on there...
