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  1. cmcjo

    cmcjo Formula Junior

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    #1 cmcjo, Mar 2, 2007
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    Hello all,

    I am loving my new 360. Greatest car ever for me.

    I already buy race fuel in 50 gallon drums for another car so I always have it close by.

    Is it good, bad or doesn't matter if I put 5 gallons of race fuel per ferrari super gas tankfull?

    THANKS, JOE
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  2. spEYEdr

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    not sure if you'll notice the difference. but i suppose it couldn't hurt.

    beauty of a car -- I'm looking for one just like it.
     
  3. F360-1386

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    Beautiful horse - congrats - enjoy it !I like the wheels.
     
  4. ErikV10

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    Nice car.

    It wouldn't hurt to use a racing fuel? How much octane are you using?
    Ferrari will do good on 93 octane since that's the normal octane Ferrari built it to run.
     
  5. m3mike

    m3mike Formula Junior

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    I think the only issue would be that race fuel (>100 octane) is leaded. If you have cats instead of a straight pipe you will eventually burn them out.
     
  6. duskybird

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    Unless you can advance the timing or force feed the motor (turbo/supercharger)
    you will do nothing but waste expensive fuel. On a side note the exhaust will smell sweet.
     
  7. speedracer1610

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    smells good though
     
  8. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Great looking 360, much prefer those wheels to the standard ones. As for race fuel you might get some advantage but it wouldnt be noticeable.
     
  9. cmcjo

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    Thanks everyone.

    Yeah I was thinking that the only difference may be the great race fuel smell.

    I believe the octane is 109. Problem is I don't want to spend $6.00 per gallon if it doesn't increase the performance or provide health benefits to the motor.
     
  10. JGTCNSX

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    VP sells a 103 unleaded that has O2 in the fuel. 103 is about as high as it goes before lead being needed to increase the RON level. I have seen a noticeable difference now that I use only the 103. I think the Stradale has a bit more aggressive computer program so more octane is of a beneifit.
    A normal 360 may have a bit of improvement but if it is 109 it has lead and even mixed with 91-93 it will foul O2 sensors.
     
  11. PCH

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    The stock US ECU's are mapped to optimize our unleaded hightest fuel which I believe does not exceed 93 octane. With that in mind, I don't believe you will notice any real benifit to using race fuel.
     
  12. kole

    kole Formula Junior

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    Tried it and did notice a difference. In my previous 360, the car was flying with 109. Wondered why. The viscosity of race fuel is less than normal fuel. Also it is more "fresh" and less prone to have absorbed water. It will, therefore, be better for the engine. Race fuels tend to blend other performance enhancing and engine lubrication products - not just higher octane - so this is where the improvements are probably coming from. Diluting with pump fuel is, perhaps, however rather pointless. If 109 is too expensive you will be happy with MS 103. Best, K
     
  13. Steve R

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    Higher octane fual can be compressed to a higher pressure before igniting. Bottom line; you only need as much octane as the engine was designed to run with...so long as you don't have predetonation you're pretty much maxed-out.....

    Many people think of higher octane gas as being like nitro...something with more kick to it. Big misconception. Keep it stock, keep it clean...keeps it away from the mechanic$ ;)

    Nice car....enjoy!
     
  14. Modenafan

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    I don't know if this is correct, but I was told the ecu's are mapped for 91 octance and anything higher will be of no benefit. It would be nice to know for sure.
     
  15. JackMan017

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    +1, well put
     
  16. cwwhk

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    Not all race fuel are created equal. Some has more than just high octane rating going for it. Why do you think they scrutineer the fuel in top tier race series.

    As for using race fuel on street car, I think any marginal gain is not worth the exhorborant cost.
     
  17. cmcjo

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    I use the race fuel as a 5 gallon spike in my 10.5 -1 compression car. The motor was designed for 93 minimum octane rating but the manufacturer of the motor highly suggests the "spiking" of 5 gallons of race fuel per tankfull. 2 or 3 tanks per year I use all race fuel. The car gets about 3 miles per gallon.

    Not sure of all the technical details but I just do it as per their recommendation since they built the motor. BTW: they did go into a rather long technical reason why, (which I forgot) but I think it has something to do with the race fuel being much cleaner than pump gas in addition to other reasons.
     
  18. kole

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    It is not just about octane. True most cars will not benefit from simply increasing the octane of the fuel. But race fuel has added consitutents, lubricants, lower viscosity...all that help yield more power per unit of fuel. The higher the compression of the engine, and the more wide open throttle driving there is, the more likely there will be a perceptible increase
     
  19. Ingenere

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    The Brit magazine EVO raised this question a few issues ago. They compared a number of fuels, including race fuel and they found that the cars ran better, and faster with the higher octane stuff, including race fuel. The dyno results were quite dramatic as well, in favor of the higher octane/race fuel.
     

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