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Question about Ferrari key cutting...

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by icantdrv55, Apr 26, 2006.

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  1. icantdrv55

    icantdrv55 Karting

    Aug 13, 2005
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    I recently purchased an original, for real and for true, Ferrari key blank for my 328, and now have the challenge of figuring out (and who) to get the key made. Anybody here know about this? I'm reasonably sure that most of us here wouldn't trust this kind of thing to the high school kid in the lock department at Home Depot.

    Couple other things regarding this:

    1. I don't have an ORIGINAL key to my car -- the only working key delivered with the car for the ignition is a copy.

    2. I've read that an original key can be made if you provide the "key code" to a locksmith. Does anyone know where I would get this code for my 20 year old car? (see http://www.keysforclassics.com )

    Love to hear input / experiences on this... I'll keep working on this myself, and post any learnings here.

    Thanks :)
     
  2. BigAl

    BigAl F1 Veteran

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    interesting. I wonder how many other older car owners don't have an original set....
     
  3. spiderseeker

    spiderseeker Formula 3

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    I would contact the nearest Ferrari dealer and get their advice. I'm sure they could cut it from your copy or maybe help you find the key code.
     
  4. GrigioGuy

    GrigioGuy Splenda Daddy
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    Go find a local, old-school locksmith. The gentleman who cut my key filed it by hand and by simply glancing at the original, and it worked first shot. He said it wasn't a hard key to make.
     
  5. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

    Feb 15, 2001
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    I have the same problem around here. Fortunately I found a off brand key blank that a locksmith coud make a copy of my OEM key but I also have another OEM blank that no one will copy. The stock keys don't fit in the Home Depot machines and the locksmiths won't touch a STEEL OEM key on their machines due to blade wear. So I'm looking at a small hardware store to cut the key. Either that or I'll need to find a locksmith who has a cutter for steel keys. Good luck
     
  6. Meister

    Meister F1 Veteran
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    Local hardware or locksmith should have the right tools/experience.
     
  7. Jsuit

    Jsuit Formula 3

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    I had Ace hardware, cut an Enzo/CS key blank and a 360 Gray key for my 550 with no trouble.

    John
     
  8. SoftwareDrone

    SoftwareDrone F1 Veteran
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    Yes, they have to have a cutter for steel keys. Also, the cutter itself that Ferrari uses is different. If you look at a Ferrari cut key, you'll notice that the key has little 'V' grooves, not recessed areas with flat bottoms. A good cutter can cut a recessed area whose depth approximates the surface depth of the two sides at the point where the edges of the tumbler would fall. This actually makes for a better key. Ideally, you don't want a standard tumbler falling into a V groove. If the key wasn't made of steel, the sides of the V groove would quickly get worn down at the point where the edges of the tumbler would hit them over time. A standard, flat bottomed tumbler should fall until it hits a flat bottomed recess in the key. Even aluminum keys cut in this way last a long time because of the greater surface area of contact between the tumblers and the key. So, why does Ferrari cut their keys with a V shaped cutting wheel? Most likely because it's easy and very fast.
     
  9. wise3

    wise3 Formula Junior

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    similar experience here. I only got one key of each type with my latest 308 last year. Bought some steel blanks on-line, but could not find anyone who would cut them. (Tried a half dozen hardware stores, etc.) But a locksmith 3 blocks away, here in Meriden CT, had blanks to match both engine and doors. I got two of each made. They work fine, just leaves the issue of originality.
     
  10. MARQ

    MARQ Formula 3

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    The key shop at our local Sears has never had a problem cutting the steel Ferrari keys. Of course it's manned by a neat old guy, a retired locksmith, not some high schooler.
     
  11. Ricambi America

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    It's not rocket surgery, or brain science. Heck, even Rob Lay used to cut keys when he was a high school clerk at the drugstore!

    Seriously, it's not difficult. Call a real locksmith; tell them you have a steel key. If they cut it too shallow, they can probably deepen the cut until it works perfectly in your car. Just make sure they don't make a copy for themselves! ;)
     
  12. icantdrv55

    icantdrv55 Karting

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    The reason I'm being a little finicky about this is the fact that the ignition switch requires a little "convincing" to allow my copied key to turn in the lock on starting the car. I don't really want to go another generation on the key by copying the copy; I'd rather find a way to have an "original" made if possible (which will hopefully work better in the lock, meaning that I don't have to think so hard about an upcoming ignition switch replacement).

    Perhaps a good locksmith is the way to go...
     
  13. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Get a couple of cheap blanks, and a dremel tool with cutting disks.

    Make your own blank from your existing key with the Dremel and one cutting disk. I made my Dino keys from copies that way. You just have to take your time.

    Since you are nervous about how your existing key fits, cut the new one a little proud (fat) and try it. If it won't turn at all, take a hair off. Work slowly and carefully until you have a key the works perfectly. Eyeballing it does work.

    Now you have your template to make the key you need from your expensive blank. Use the newly cut, perfectly fitting key.

    Use the same process to make your expensive key fit perfectly. Use the dremel, with a cutting disk, make it a little fat, try it, work it down until it works perfectly.

    This is exactly what I did. Took me about 30 minutes to make the 1st one, about 10 to make the second one.

    Dave M.
     
  14. 348_Spiderman

    348_Spiderman Formula 3

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    I too had Ace hardware successfully cut an OEM blank for me. I warned the technician that I heard because of the steel, it is likely to be "undercut" He knew what I was talking about and was sure to compare, then tweak based on comparisons to the original and now I have a perfect copy.

    I'm wondering if your copy is actually slightly undercut as it is which could explain why you need to "convince" it.

    Good Luck!
     

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