Yes, ones that dont pro race too. Wasnt there a rule at some point pros couldnt race? A few started racing pro at some point, but moved on from Challenge. Yes, 1st of 4 in STO. His two wins in T1 were against some of the most talented club racers in the United States. He won on the track and he won in tech, thats all it takes and he did it. I have met him a couple times and one of his companies thats no longer around was a sponsor (exotic car driving experience). We have probably been on the track together a dozen times. Actually I finished ahead of his T1 Ferrari 360 in my T3 Mazda RX8 because he crashed out. My comment had nothing to do with his racing, it was completely based on his business practices and fighting those like the Colorado Attorney General. Listen here Nathan Dunning from Boardwalk, be careful how you characterize my comments. I understand Scott has been a great customer of Boardwalk, but it is now public the criminal background of Scott and the current RICO charges among other things from over 20 state Attorney Generals. Even if Scott is able to avoid all or most charges because of Indian Territory sovereignty, it still doesnt excuse unethical business practices charging 120% interest rates etc. You are supporting Scott even with the above public information while attacking me. That speaks volumes.
yes, Nathan works for Boardwalk. All that money Scott made off little old ladies and the down trodden seeking a payday loan at 120% interest... well.
You can re-check the link I posted to, but IIRC you have to OWN the car to run in the series. However, there have been some exceptions made over the years. And, FNA has/had a "guest" car. On occasions, they've had hot shoes in it. Regardless, the intent was always that this was for gentlemen racers and pro drivers were verboten (or at least discouraged). After all, what's the point in a pro winning in a series of gentlemen racers? That said, the Europeans take it to a fairly high level. Pros are certainly coaching and doing ride-alongs in practice laps (or were), but they were not in the cars during the quali or races themselves. That wasn't ALWAYS followed to a T, though, as I alluded to earlier. Anyway, several drivers have stepped up to other series, such as GrandAm. That was a good step, as the base cars are similar and therefore familiar. And, frankly, GrandAm isn't/wasn't as over-the-top as ALMS is/was. So, you can do an arrive-and-drive in GrandAm for reasonable amounts (we're talking racing, though, right?) as opposed to the ex-F1 and seriously talented factory drivers ALMS/ELMS employs. Stepping up to that series is a much bigger and far more expensive step. CW
I have no problem with Nathan or anyone else correcting mistakes. Connections, however, ought to be disclosed if it crosses into advocacy. CW
I am not attacking you or supporting anyone. I am merely questioning what you are trying to imply as fact.....some of which, is not. You absolutely have the right to state your opinion, this is your forum, Rob Lay of Ferrari Chat. I have the right to my opinion too, do I not? Apparently as long as I don't have an opposing view, you are ok with it?
Thank you, I was merely doing that. Correcting a mistake, If advocating anyone, it was my friend and fellow Texan, reminding you that he won in 2009.
it is a FACT that the Colorado Attorney General issued a warrant for his arrest and then he bought a million dollar vacation home in Colorado and also flew into a SCCA Club Race in Colorado after the warrant just long enough to do the race and leave. This was all done to flaunt in front of the Colorado AG. apparently that fact causes you to react like...
Well....what? See, this is the sort of implication I was referring to. What EXACTLY are you trying to imply?
Is it a fact, though? Or is it your opinion, or the opinion of someone out there that you know and trust? You also state that your alleged fact causes a reaction from me....which you present as fact, which it is not. You are attempting to bully me, and that is the fact. My comments toward you were simply asking you to cite your source. Your reaction was to try and "out" me? Please....I'm not now, nor have I ever tried to hide from anyone or anything. And to tell me to be careful how I characterize your behavior? Your behavior is quite easily characterized on its own.
...let's see...so you are both lying and insulting the other STO entrants, right? There were 10 (TEN) cars in STO, and only 4 finished, but you are saying that anyone who races with only 4 in class remaining should naturally dominate and win it? Winning on track and in tech...meaning what? If you win, then clearly you cheated? .[/QUOTE]
man, that certainly sounds like gibberish and spin to me, very smart for you to do when backed in a corner on specific clear points. It is a very common cliche racing saying, but maybe you aren't that familiar. Just because you win on the track doesn't mean you will win the race, you still have to pass tech. Like that one time Scott was winning in Challenge, but tech found something they didn't like and with the penalty McKenzie went on to win the Championship. Nathan, while you are on the attack against me, I just want to make it clear what you are supporting. http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/09/26/6605/payday-lending-bankrolls-auto-racers-fortune http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/09/28/6656/race-car-driver-scott-tucker-drew-elaborate-facade-around-his-payday-loan-businesses http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57408355-10391695/ftc-takes-action-against-race-car-driver-scott-tucker/ http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2012/04/amg.shtm http://jalopnik.com/5899469/feds-launch-investigation-into-ex+con-racing-champ-scott-tucker http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/racing/news/20120402/scott-tucker-payday-scam/index.html http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ftc-charges-payday-lending-scheme-with-piling-inflated-fees-on-borrowers-and-making-unlawful-threats-when-collecting-2012-04-02 http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/11/45512.htm
Rob, You don't know me, so how on earth would you know what or who I support? I think you have a major chip on your shoulder, and some sort of GOD complex working. I have not attacked you, merely questioned some of your statements of fact, which you have yet to answer, other than with continued vague allegations and direct remarks aimed at me for daring to question you. Well, in my opinion, you've done nothing but come across like a whiney child who is very jealous of someone else's success. Your attacks are not fact based, and you appear very childish. I'm sorry that I've upset you, I regret if I've hurt your feelings.
you are being an ass and a jerk Nathan. all this thread does is talk about the public news reports I linked along with people's personal experiences with Scott and/or Level 5 like mine. don't try to spin it that all of us are jealous, all this information is bogus, and that I am the one that started attacking you. I wasn't even talking to you and the first thing you posted towards me was... As an employee of Boardwalk we appreciate your contributions in this thread because you guys are close to Scott, but I didn't appreciate you making it personal and my response is simply not putting up with it. Nathan, maybe you get away with it elsewhere, but not towards me.
Rob, you are pathetic. "all of us are jealous" and "as an employee, WE appreciate your contributions because you guys are close to Scott" I said YOU sounded jealous....YOU, no one else. You have done nothing but make assumptions and present them as fact. This is reckless and irresponsible. Why are you attacking me? Because I called BS on your allegations? You made this personal, not me. As for the other remark regarding "as an employee we appreciate" You don't know me, or who or what I am close to, so again...ridiculous remark. You are behaving like a child. You are right about one thing, I won't get away anything on Rob Lay's website, especially if I dare question him. Sorry I hurt your feelings, Rob Lay. It was not my intent.
I'm not jealous of Scott. If I had a problem with Scott it was his marginal talent that he threw money at to still get marginal results while his marketing department made him out to be a "pro driver". So he has the budget of a pro driver, markets himself as a pro driver, and then goes out there to club race with SCCA and Ferrari Challenge? All this other stuff is news to me, I didn't know he had prior convictions, served jail time, and has most states and the US Government after him. I'm not jealous of crooks and cheaters if that is what he turns out to be. I see that might be your hero and you don't care for people like me that make an honest living and had racing success with a marginal budget and as DIY'er. I think the car salesman is getting confused on who is jealous of who.
2 Vettes, a Ferrari, a BMW, and 3 PC cars finished ahead of them? What kind of mechanical or race incident did they have?
As an interested observer, Nathan, I have to agree with Rob. You're out of line, whatever your motivations. Your biggest mistake was misconstruing what Rob was saying. This thread has been about the unethical (at minimum) and allegedly illegal (at most) business dealings of one ST, who also pretends to be a professional racing driver. Call me weak-willed, but I certainly don't have the stomach for the loan sharking business. Taking advantage of less fortunate people is unequivocally unethical. Those of us who race scoff at the idea that he's a "pro" and will continue discount his so-called talent because he's a known purchaser of wins and championships. With the alleged $40MM+ he's had to work with, I'm sure any number of us would have posted better results without the pretense of desperately trying to be regarded as a professional above all. As for me, my team works f****** hard with the small budget we have and that makes our victories taste that much sweeter. If I had ten times the budget I have now, ran in the same series and persuaded the series to bend the rules for me, any achievements would be hollow. We all know real pros and when ST calls himself a pro, he tarnishes the idea of a professional racing driver. When the definition of professional changes from "one who gets paid" to "one who pays", then we can have another discussion. Until then, that's the reality of it.
there was trouble in the opening laps so i don't know how the tucker cars were effected. they were turning 18's once settled in. i did not focus much on the p2's as the gt race was so good and the corvette's were very exciting to see battle back. it was also great seeing luhr chase down chris dyson in the closing minutes to take the win. a great event albeit a bit chilly out on saturday. pcb
If Level 5 was so far ahead in P2 they could have backed off the 1:18's and allowed the 1:19-1:20 PC and GT's battle in front.
the Conquest car had a decent lead in P2 then had problems (cut tire?), so they had to make an extra pit stop late, handing Level 5 the lead.
B-MAK, I appreciate and respect your opinion, and appreciate your comments. (I understand and agree with your statements regarding the plight of the hard working team) If I agree that I typed a few comments that weren't necessarily something my parents would be proud of, would you humor me and tell me what it was that I misconstrued about what Rob Lay was saying? You mention that it was my biggest mistake, so I am asking honestly for your feedback on this matter. Thank You.
