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Purosangue: The ‘crazible’ Ferrari

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  1. Lukeylikey

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    We took delivery of our Purosangue a short while ago. Late to the party but our TM spec seemed to take an age to come through. It all felt fairly simple at TM, but somehow we managed to spec a preposterously expensive version of Ferrari’s FUV. Opaco paint, Bordeaux carbon outside and in, and a white leather interior. Having picked myself up from the floor at learning the price, I wondered what we would make of the car itself.

    I suppose the point of this thread is to ‘reason’ with people who have the same dilemma as us with this car. I saw the piece from Richard Hammond which makes a good point about what really is this car for and why is it so expensive? But then I drove it (we have done 500 miles in a week, far more than we have done in the first few months of our XX). It is a sort of ‘sensible’ Ferrari but somehow it is also imbued with a vein of craziness - hence my made-up word in the thread title. Truthfully, I’m a little shocked by this car. How can it be so illogical - it’s a four door, practical, high Ferrari, with a V12 engine - and theoretically easy to dismiss, yet be so hard to dismiss?

    We have winter tyres on ours for the time being - to be swapped soon - but even in cold temperatures and with winter tyres, the Purosangue has no right to be as good to drive as it is. For context, we’ve had both FF and Lusso. We obviously enjoyed the FF enough to buy a Lusso, both were great cars. But not like this. Those who think the Lusso represents a cut-price Purosangue, forget it. This car is way better than what went before it. I don’t really care that it is higher and heavier, and I’m not really thinking about the looks, which are an entirely personal thing (though I think the look is utterly beguiling and beautifully done). The Purosangue is a more sporting and enjoyable drive than the Lusso and FF. I enjoyed those cars but they delivered exactly what I imagined a detuned, front-engined, V12, with extra size and weight would deliver. No surprises, just very Ferrari but in a less overtly sporting and more practical package. What’s not to like if you need the practicality? Thing was, the two-door configuration was a bit of a pain because if you need the rear seats the driver is constantly getting in and out of the car to give the back-seat passengers access. If you didn’t need the rear seats then better to use an F12 or 812. Neither car was especially rewarding to drive compared with the two-seat cars and with a bit of inclement weather (surely part of the point of using a four-wheel-drive Ferrari) they were quite tricky on the limit and prone to a wayward rear-end when you least expected it. I enjoyed them but never much thought about them after they were sold.

    This thing though. It’s a revelation to drive, save a couple of issues, but really, has no right to be able to do what it does. Specifically, the performance level is very well judged (more shove is just not necessary), the feeling from behind the wheel is sporty and rewarding. Lifting off the throttle and tucking the nose into the corner, the car really responds, then feeding that beautifully linear throttle back in again and the car unwinds with progression and good energy and throws you out of the bend in a way that makes you smile….before becoming thoroughly confused. How is it possible that this car is so good? Seriously, how did they do that?

    The Purosangue is a much better sports car than the (whisper it, slightly disappointing in this regard) FF and Lusso. Somehow that is playing with my brain. I walk up to the car, it is practical and a lovely thing to own and drive - as expected - but also a really brilliant car to drive quickly. I would happily take it on a road trip unlike my conclusion about the Roma Spider which didn’t really do it for me last year around Italy. Roma is a great car, just nowhere near as great as the SF90 touring through Italy, France, Spain etc. The Purosangue on the other hand, I’ve discovered is a great-handling and great-sounding Ferrari V12. It will always be that. Still not an alternative to a mid-engined car on a trip but for a winter occasion or when you need to take more people, perfect. I think I am more surprised about this car than any other Ferrari we have owned. Could it be that remarkable suspension? Maybe that’s part of it. But there’s more to it I think.

    We paid a, what is to me, completely unimaginable amount of money for it, enough to make me think “what on earth am I doing?” But the TM leather, the Bordeaux carbon everywhere, mixed with the way this car looks and drives, I almost don’t think about the price. I don’t know what I will do with this car long term. And I didn’t really think we had space in our lives for it. But I’m already thinking that to be without it we would really miss it. It’s probably my wife’s new favourite Ferrari (though she will really enjoy the 12C Spider). It has four doors so is more practical than the Lusso, it looks better than the Lusso, it drives better than the Lusso, it has a better noise than the V8s and V6s and I don’t imagine there will be another one like it in the future. It’s crazy and it’s sensible. But it can’t be sensible. So maybe it’s just crazy? Yet it’s also brilliant. I have no idea what the market will make of this car because it is the first Ferrari where I have no idea what to make of it. Two things are for sure, Manzoni’s design is brilliant and De Simone and the chassis team did an incredible job. We did TM ‘in case’ we liked the car. And the extras really make for a beautiful finished result. But the depreciation will be huge if I put 10k miles on it in a year - which would be very easy to do. I’ll still put miles on this thing. Probably about 3k per year. Maybe the smartest Purosangue buyers are those who buy a cheaper spec car and just use it regardless of the mileage and depreciation. Maybe, just maybe, you could find a way to justify the cost if you stuck 50k on it in a few years. You’d maybe lose half the value, maybe £180k. That’s only £3.60 per mile. Would I pay that? You bet. It would be crazible not to!


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  2. Il Cavalieri

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    Nice feedback, a pleasure to read. Could you provide more pix int - ext.
     
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  3. marcmc8867

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    Nice write up. I received mine yesterday and so far agree all around. It is prettier and more impressive than I even expected. It has been harshly prejudged by many naysayers but to have one in hand is a pleasure.

    It was a long wait but this thing looks like a special car in person and I think it truly is.
     
  4. Lukeylikey

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    I don’t have any nice ones at the moment but I’ll try and find some time to take something decent.
     
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    Thank you
     
  6. WM458

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    Nice report.
    Have you tried the new Cayenne GTS w 500hp. For some 190…200kUS.
    I am sure the PS will be behind it when it comes to a meeting on track.
    Special paint and interior no problem as well. For 1/4 of the cost.
    OK, it’s not a Ferrari that’s for sure.
     
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    Nice write-up, thank you.

    How do you think the driving experience will differ from 12C since both are “touring cars”? Think of going to Toscana for a longer weekend - which one would you choose?
     
  8. REALZEUS

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    No chance.
     
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  9. Lukeylikey

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    My sister has a Cayenne GT. She likes it but has decided to sell it. It’s a great car but, strangely, it’s not the same thing. The V12 engine and way the Purosangue handles, while unlikely to be as quick around a track, plus the level of luxury, sets it apart. I’ve also never been tempted by a Urus. I can see why people love them but it’s a Lamborghini SUV, based on a corporate platform (like the Cayenne). That makes a difference. I’m not saying these are not excellent cars, they are. But you approach them as super versions of a familiar genre. Ferrari set out to do something completely unique and to a large extent I think they achieved it.

    The thing is, in doing so, they also made the car more illogical when viewed through a normal car-buying lens. I always wondered what I would do with such a car, what is it for? I still do, yet I’m driving it a lot because I like driving it, and also because I often need to use the rear seats. It’s not an SUV - nowhere near as practical as the Porsche or Lamborghini. It’s a Ferrari for those occasions when you need to take extra people or things and you still want that Ferrari experience. I’ve been really surprised by it. It follows different rules and that’s also why some people will hate that it exists. I don’t criticise that view, I understand it. It’s just that I really like it when I’m using it. Maybe it’s a modern day 308 GT4 or Mondial more than it is an SUV. It probably drives better and sportier than the two lower cars, such is the brilliance of Ferrari’s engineering these days.

    What makes it so illogical is the price. For the price of the options on our car (ok, you don't have to tick the boxes) we could have bought the Cayenne outright. In any sane sense of value the Purosangue can’t compare to a car like the Cayenne GT for that reason alone. Hence the title of this thread. It makes no sense. I have wondered about my own sanity, spending such an amount on such an illogical car. Yet, as per the suggestion in my original post, if you drive it regularly - something its design concept allows for much more easily than other Ferraris - it might just be the best value Ferrari out there. Just don’t spend that amount of money and park it. I can’t see how that could ever make sense.

    The Cayenne GT, like other Cayennes, is a proper car. The Purosangue isn’t. But the Purosangue is a Ferrari and the Cayenne isn’t. I guess whether you could ever see value in it is down to what you think about modern Ferrari. I tell you this though, it may not be as fast (though it feels plenty quick enough - you don’t ever need more) but I dare anyone not to enjoy driving it, even if you could never justify it or hate it and the fact that it exists. Ferrari are masters of driving emotion in any genre and they didn’t go easy on the Purosangue.
     
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  10. Lukeylikey

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    Depends on the time of year and who’s going with me. For most times I would drive to Italy it would have to be the 12C spider though. 12C coupe might be a little harder. Put it this way, if you had already put plenty of miles on the Purosangue, it would be cheaper to take that for probably 10% less fun but 50% more practicality.
     
  11. WM458

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    If I consider a brandˋs emotional image only, the Ferrari is always on top.
    If I had other DD SUVs in the garage an like to add a Ferrari, I would perhaps buy a 296, 12C Roma, or what’s or ever is on the market I don’t have yet.
    As for a typical DD SUV use the PS is the wrong choice. IMO. Not enough space, small trunk, no trailer coupling.
    Several test drives unveiled additional, less expected disadvantages of the PS:
    The sound is somehow untypical for a V12. Taking the sound of an 812 as the bm, it is rather disappointing. Also, the development of the power from low revs is quite poor. A turbo engine with just 500PS (like Cayenne GTS) performs better.
    To me, a PS is a second or third positioned „kind of DD“. It’s neither a sedan car nor an SUV but something inbetween.
    But yes, I agree, it’s a Ferrari!
     
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  12. St.R

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    That’s your opinion, but it’s far from accurate. In terms of sound, the Purosangue clearly outshines all other SUVs. Performance and braking-wise, it holds its own against anything out there. Plus, it comfortably fits four tall adults along with their luggage.

    What doesn't work well on the Purosangue is the launch control.

    check Video for sound, brakes, launch control,
    acceleration.


    Brakes, acceleration, sound Ferrari won.

    Porsche the king from 0-100-200….
     
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    “The Purosangue is a much better sports car than the (whisper it, slightly disappointing in this regard) FF and Lusso.”

    How?
     
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    Whoever was driving Puro has no clue how to launch. Super slow dude lol
     
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  15. WM458

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    Of corse it’s my opinion.
    I owned n 812 and know how the sound of a 12 cylinder engine should be. But several tests drives with the PS made it clear: it’s not like that.
    Btw I don’t compare the sound of the PS with the Cayenne V8 motor. What I do is to try to justify the enormous cost of the PS. The sound is not an argument. The looks of the PS are great though. There’s little more left.
    To each his own.
     
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  16. Lukeylikey

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    It drives better. The Lusso felt like a detuned 812 that was a bit spiky when it got wet, which, driving in inclement conditions was part of the point. It felt bigger, more cumbersome than the 812. The Purosangue still feels different to the 812 but still really fun and sporty to drive. I enjoy it much more than either the FF or Lusso.
     
  17. Caeruleus11

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    What matters most is your enjoyment and how you react to the car. At this level there is a strong element of personal experience.
     
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    What do you mean by “performs better”? The Puro is MUCH faster than a Cayenne GTS. The only ICE SUVs that can compete with it when it’s being driven by someone who actually knows how to launch it properly is the 730hp Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid and 650 hp Cayenne Turbo GT. The Puro has already handily beaten the Urus Perf and DBX 707, and clearly pulls harder then the Urus SE.
     
  19. WM458

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    I was talking about the power development of a Puro from low refs. That’s disappointing. Of course the absolute power is much better. Not a surprise regarding a gap of more than 200 hp.
    The Urus SE shows the PS it‘s limits though.
     
  20. Caeruleus11

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    It’s really the just the difference between NA and turbo- and now the Urus has a hybrid version as well? (Not sure)…. I think that remains a unique selling point to the PS advantage- but you have to understand, you probably not win 0-30 “stop light war” with a Urus- and not sure if anyone is really doing this anyway. To me the NA experience is a positive, but I understand if you say it makes it feel relatively underpowered at lower speeds. The PS you really will have to work the engine- which is almost crazy to say with a large powerful V12. But that makes it fun (for me at least).
     
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    The Puro is faster than the DBX707, which makes essentially the same HP and is also TT V-8. It’s also faster than the Urus Performante which makes 65 less HP and is also a TT V-8.

    The Puro in the video above only suffers from a person who can’t properly launch it against the Urus SE which makes 65 *more* HP and has the benefit of electric motors giving it 170 lbs ft more torque. Even still, during timed testing with proper drivers, it’s still slower than the Puro from 0-200 kph by a half-second.

    Urus SE (789 hp/701 ft lbs tq), 0-200 kph in 11.2
    https://fastestlaps.com/models/lamborghini-urus-se

    Puro (715hp/528 ft lbs tq), 0-200 in 10.6
    https://fastestlaps.com/models/ferrari-purosangue

    You’re same guy who said earlier a 500 HP Cayenne GTS would beat the Puro, which is absolutely laughable. Just stop already.
     
  22. WM458

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    Some people tend to not understand, some don’t want to.
    May I repeat what I said for the last time
    The PS is disappointing at low revs. And the sound, in comparison with the 812, too.
    People that don’t reckon this can’t read, are laughable perhaps.
     
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    Is your spec locked in?
     
  24. Divexxtreme

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    Cayenne GTS: 3.8
    https://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-cayenne-coup-gts
    Purosangue: 3.1
    https://fastestlaps.com/models/ferrari-purosangue

    So much for the Puro being disappointing at low revs.

    The sound will be the same (or better) compared to an 812 with an exhaust. Can’t wait to install mine once my Puro arrives!
     
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    Handover in Q2/25.
     
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