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Sold Pur Sang 1931 Bugatti Type 51

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  1. JAM1

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    I had an itch to get a Bugatti for a number of years but never found the right one for what I wanted to do - actually drive it. That being the case I ended up looking at Pur Sang cars as an alternative and to experience what Bugatti’s are like without a huge financial commitment and investment. I’ve got to say this car has been an absolute pleasure to own and drive in every way and I have mixed emotions about selling it. However, I ended up buying a 1928 Bugatti t35 with competition history (that’ll be a separate thread) so it’s time to sell this awesome PurSang T51. This car has been serviced and maintained by High Mountain Classics and it’s in great condition. Car is currently at my house in upstate NY and available for viewing any time. Asking $245k.



    Rather than fumbling for a proper description I’ll use the one provided by LBI, from whom I purchased this car. PM me with any questions.


    The Type 51 is one of Bugatti’s most recognizable race cars and the spiritual successor to the dominant Type 35. While visually identical to the Type 35, the Type 51 housed a supercharged DOHC 2.3L straight-8 engine that put out 160 hp. Today, these 1930s legends are as rare as they are technologically impressive, with only 40 examples ever built by Bugatti.

    With these original examples being practically unobtainium for many enthusiasts, Pur Sang of Argentina stepped up to offer an identical experience for a fraction of the price. Offered alongside other replicas like an Alfa Romeo Monza, the Pur Sang Type 51 is hand-built by hundreds of artisans in Argentina and offers the same thrill of the original with modern components and techniques like modern tires and seals implemented for safety. According to Pur Sang, each Type 51 is built using the same design and material specifications that the Bugatti factory used. This is not merely a replica, this is a bolt-for-bolt reproduction of Ettore’s racing machine that is practically indistinguishable, especially when you’re behind the wheel.

    This particular example, Chassis # 510B0, was purchased new from Pur Sang by its current and only owner in September of 2008. Under the hood lives a 2.3L Supercharged Dual Overhead Cam Straight 8 engine which is virtually indistinguishable from the real thing both mechanically and in the experience it provides. Since purchase, it has always been serviced and maintained by High Mountain Classics, a Bugatti and pre-war automotive specialist shop in Fort Collins, CO. It has undergone numerous, multi-thousand dollar services and modifications at that shop throughout the years.

    The car underwent a refresh beginning in October of 2009 where all of the suspension and steering components, fuel system, and brake system were removed before being cleaned, greased, and plated as needed. Reassembly began in late October and continued into early November of 2009 with the fuel tank, shocks, cross member, and electric fuel pump all being properly reinstalled alongside the remaining motor mounting bolts, headlamps, and steering wheel. Rounding out the refresh was a set of brand new tires and race tubes. The whole refresh took a few months and cost several thousand dollars in total.

    The engine was detailed in January of 2010 before being strapped to a dyno and calibrated at Engle Automotive. The car’s fire extinguisher was moved to a more accessible location in January of 2011 and the Ki-gas pump had some of its fittings fixed to remedy a fuel leak. The water pump was modified three years later in 2014 as oil was making its way into the car’s water supply and the old fuel lines were replaced since they showed signs of cracking.

    The most recent service record from August of 2017 shows that the Type 51 received a comprehensive inspection which yielded the need for a tune-up and tightening of several nuts and bolts. Some seals and gaskets were also changed including those around the fuel filler, windscreen, and shift lever. The starter cable was rerouted inside the cockpit, the supercharger oil reservoir tank had some of its solder joints redone to fix a leak, and a Brooklands passenger windscreen was installed.

    As it sits, this Pur Sang Type 51 is one of the best opportunities to jump headfirst into the world of pre-war cars currently available on the market. With a distinguished pedigree and a spotless service record, it’s the perfect ride to take to select on and off track events, whether they be rallies or the green lawn of a concours. Most of all, it’s an opportunity to experience one of Ettore’s masterpieces, even if it doesn’t hail directly from Molsheim. Upon purchase, the new owner will receive copies of the original purchase documents as well as copies of the numerous pages of maintenance performed.

    Body And Paint

    The presentation of this Pur Sang is entering its prime. The more this car can be used the better it will get, as more patina (flaws) will only contribute to a more authentic look. This example has driver-quality cosmetics as it has seen extensive use. The paint is consistent throughout, and shiny, but not without minor flaws. Primer shrinkage is evident under the paint upon close inspection and minor chips can be found in high-impact areas such as the fenders. There is nothing that warrants refinishing, and overall one can be proud of the presentation.

    Glass And Trim
    What little glass there is, is without blemishes. The trim throughout appears to be complete and well-replicated from an original.

    Wheels
    The wheels are quintessentially Bugatti presenting with a mix of raw casting and light polishing they are free of any major issues but do have minor flaws upon close inspection.

    Seats And Surfaces
    The spartan interior shows well with signs of use but is overall clean. The upholstery/leather is in good condition with one little scratch to note that will fade in overtime. There is minor scratching in the footwell, but otherwise, the driver is presented with a beautiful machine-turned dash, correct reproduction instruments, and other accessories.

    Functionality And Accessories
    Everything appears to be in correct working order, even the auxiliary hand pumps function if valves are turned to allow for their function. A well-sorted example in proper working order.

    Engine Bay
    The engine bay is reflective of a jewelry-like presentation. The quality of machine work and overall presentation are excellent. There are leaks to be found, and rubber items that do show some age, but did not warrant servicing during the recent service that was performed. Functional and presentable but with minor faults.

    Underside
    The underside is very simple, flat, and essentially one piece of metal. Beyond signs of use and minor (expected) leaks there are no issues to report.

    Engine
    The engine starts easily and sounds healthy. Once at temperature, it holds oil pressure well and keeps within an acceptable temperature range. It should be noted that the spark plugs tend to foul unless the car is consistently run at higher RPM, keeping it running clean/clear within an optimum rev range. Otherwise, there are no unwanted noises, no excessive or concerning smoking, and overall reflects that of a well serviced and sorted example. The only item we noticed during our test drive is that the throttle tends to stick in the first ¼ of its operational range on occasion.

    Transmission
    Though it takes some getting used to, due to the lack of synchros, the gear box performs as expected and even better once mastered. All gears are in correct working order and the clutch works as intended as well.

    Brakes And Suspension
    The brakes work well and are synched up nicely given they are cable controlled. There is no pulling or pulsating. The suspension feels firm and very compliant while presenting wonderful road manners and feedback.

    Tires
    The tires are Blockey Special 5.00-19 on all 4 corners with considerable tread depth and are supple.

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  2. calder1

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    Looking good
     
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  3. energy88

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    Beautiful car! GLWS
     
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  4. Texas Forever

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    It must be a hoot to drive.
     
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  5. JAM1

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    It’s an absolute blast, Dale. Beautiful to look at from any angle, detailed to the nth degree, quick, light, sounds incredible, and so visceral it makes you love the prewar feel of driving. Whoever buys this car is going to absolutely love it. I wouldn’t even consider selling it had I not purchased an authentic t35.
     
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  6. slm

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    Love this car!!! I see a rally decal on the tail. What event did you have it in?
     
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  7. JSinNOLA

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    Nothing to add other than great seller who spares no expense treating his cars the proper way. Someone will get a pristine example for sure!
     
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  8. JAM1

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    Thanks. The rally decal is prior to my ownership when it participated in the International Bugatti Rally of California Coast which was a 700 mile run from San Francisco to LA mainly on PCH.
     
  9. slm

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    Interesting. Accepted by the Bugatti society. That says a lot!!
     
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  10. Doctor Mark

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    There is a great video done by Chris Harris diving a similar car. Wish I had the funds to buy it.
     
  11. JAM1

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    Yes! This is the Chris Harris video and it’s part of the reason I ended up doing the PurSang in the first place.

     
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    Thanks for posting pictures of the bits. Just beautiful stuff.
     
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  14. SimonSays

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    I have a Type 35b, and can agree it's a blast to drive. Way more fun than any modern car I've been in since I got this. I drive mine almost every week, and it's such a rush, every time. The asking price is actually really good, seeing the current lead time is over 18 months, and MSRP is higher than the asking price now.

    I talked to Chris Harris last year when he was in LA, and I had my car out at an event he was at. Without hesitation, he said the Type35 was THE best car at the event, and that included a Singer he was in, an MC12, and every Ferrari, Lambo and McLaren you can think of.

    They really are THAT good, if you're that type of driver. Only suggestion is that the new owner takes the fenders off ;-)

    GLWS, whomever buys this will NOT be disappointed!
     
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  15. JAM1

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    Have had several inquiries and people considering the car. One question has been shipping it and if the track would impact options. I have only shipped it via enclosed with a solid deck floor and I didn’t have any issue doing so. To alleviate the consideration, if someone decides to buy it who doesn’t have their own trailer to come pick it up I’ll throw in free enclosed transportation in the US.
     
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    Love it.
     
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  17. spirot

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    OMG love this car! I have never driven an Old Bugatti - was able to sit in a type 51 at Goodwood... Love the sound these cars make and how involved they are to drive. I race a T35 in Virtual racing on Asseto Corsa using a sim... and it is a handful.... I love how you have to adopt the crouching side stance on the wheel.... If I had the means I'd buy this no questions asked. ... I would remove the fenders... that is it. I cant imagine driving one in modern traffic ... you'd be dodging all kinds of debris... but the sound would happily make up for it. best of luck in your sale....
     
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    Update:

    Today I had a chat with PurSang and they’re willing to warranty this car for the new owner if I run it through them and have their inspection done. I am willing to absorb those costs should the next owner want that type of assurance, or I’d be willing to discount the car to a price of $225k to reflect those costs so the next owner can have the benefit of a lower price.
     
  19. FerrariCognoscenti

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    Wow, a 95 year old Bugatti UNDER WARRANTY! Amazing!


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  20. Doctor Mark

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    Not built 95 years ago. It is a perfect replica of relatively recent creation.
     
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  21. yudkib

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    I read an article maybe 2 years ago I think in the Hagerty’s mag about the Pur Sangs, and it basically said they’re such perfect replicas that Bugatti supplies the branding because Pur Sang wouldn’t do it unless Bugatti sold them the parts. Bugatti was only willing to because they were satisfied it was a PERFECT replica. I believe the Bugatti family themselves had to inspect the product and sign off on it. Truly amazing machines.
     
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    I also have a Pur Sang 35B and have to pile on. They are truly amazing machines and a blast to drive. Probably one of the best cars I’ve ever owned. Will be taking delivery of their Alfa 8C Touring in a few months. Hard to believe this hasn’t sold yet. It’s a very good deal!
     
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  23. JAM1

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    A number of authentic Bugattis are running around with engines, gearboxes, rear ends, and other PurSang parts on them. Additionally there are a few PurSang cars owned by Bugatti family members. They’re excellent cars.

    I’ve had a few serious inquiries and one guy came to see and drive it (but as of now his wife isn’t onboard with the purchase) so it’s still available. I haven’t marketed the car anywhere else so I’ll give it a bit more here then just ship it to PurSang and have them sell it.
     
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  24. Smiles

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    I have a Pur Sang 35B. This twin-cam is about the same price as a new single cam.

    I would highly recommend that John Bothwell look the car over before a sale. It's the ultimate PPI.

    GLWS.

    Matt
     
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    Pur Sang make ALL parts themself....
     

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