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Pista vs Pista aperta

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  1. BG23

    BG23 Formula Junior

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    Hypothetically if you could have either which one would you choose? I've always thought I would choose the coupe because it's lighter and stiffer. But I've been thinking does the aperta make it even more visceral? Sure the outright pace is slightly less - but would you even notice it?

    Also do you think the 488 aperta will actually have better resale?
     
  2. SoCal to az

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    The soeciale aperta has better resale by a mile. I would think Pista is similar.

    As to driving- both will be spectacular!
     
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  3. hamad488

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    for me both are keepers.
     
  4. Rossocorsa1

    Rossocorsa1 F1 Veteran

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    I’m a berlinetta man. To me the only thing more appealing about the Aperta is the exclusivity in numbers - hence resale. But, the pure lines of the car are ruined and the drama of seeing the engine is gone, which is big deal. Having said that, if they opted for a targa top rather than a convertible then I would be torn.
     
  5. stereotaipei

    stereotaipei Formula Junior

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    I prefer the coupe. More beautiful, stiffer. And the aperta premium at resale will be much lower as quantity will be higher than for the Speciale Aperta vs. coupe
     
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  6. wrs

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    I am a spider guy, give me an Aperta anyday. I think the Speciale Aperta is outstanding I am sure the Pista Aperta will be better.
     
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  7. noone1

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    Considering an Aperta Speciale has like a $200-300K premium over the coupe, I'd take that one. Free money, more or less the same car, and also the top comes down.
     
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  8. 2GT

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    Obviously, for the majority of us on this forum, the question is indeed hypothetical. I would note one irony: using supposed higher resale on the Pista Aperta at some later date implies that the main reason for choosing one is making a profit when divesting oneself of it. I've never considered that a relevant factor when choosing an expensive vehicle for purchase. It's not that I'm against legitimate profit. Rather, I buy what I prefer, regardless of hypothetical resale at some later time. For that reason, I am annoyed by salesmen who insist that I must select a specific option or option group because "a used-car buyer will demand it." Why, when I'm ordering a car, should I care what a person who chooses to buy a used car sometime in the future would have preferred over my choices? Stated differently, why buy an Aperta over a berlinetta because it's presumed that that's where the resale money will be? By the way, I'd buy the Aperta , since I love my 458 Spider so much. Fred
     
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  9. Rossocorsa1

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    Well said
     
  10. 2GT

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    Thanks very much, Rosso! Fred
     
  11. Albert-LP

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    I would like to ask this: but isn't anyone here worried about the lack of stiffness of the Aperta? Today competitor cars have CF chassis with a big stiffness also with the cabrio body (the Mc Laren all the chassis, the Huracan just some parts).

    It looks that the Ferrari appeal is very big and so nobody cares about this: you can immediately feel the lack of stiffness in a 35 years old 240 Hp 308 GTS, how that sensation has to be with an heavier 700 Hp car with much better tires too?

    I'm definitely a Berlinetta man!

    ciao
     
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  12. LVP488

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    It seems that many Ferrari buyers (no name and no personal attack here;) ) do not care about driving, but are more interested about showing off and resale (in whatever order).
    This is becoming a concern for people wanting to buy a Ferrari to drive it, because it's distorting the market.
     
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  13. Shack

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    It applies just as much with Porsche IMO (911r etc) . McLaren produce too many "special" cars for any to apply to resale or showing off. I tend to agree 100% with you and really if one uses cars as an investment class (other than the top end investment quality cars) then one has bigger problems. Granted no one wants to lose huge money on a car but its purpose is fun and enjoyment and that should be priority
     
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  14. howydo

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    I prefer the coupe regardless of future resale values. The Pista is a keeper so get what you really want...
     
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  15. Afonsolaw

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    Aperta top down is the best!
     
  16. Melvok

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    Look at what is the difference between a Scuderia and a 16M, may go that way here too
     
  17. REALZEUS

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    The coupe of course!!! Why compromise a super-sportscar?
     
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  18. SB27

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    This is one of the better posts of the year. The reality is 98% of the people here will not have access to order a Pista Aperta (let alone a Pista) from their dealer. I get the need for exclusivity, etc. Unfortunately, this also leads to people taking their interest and their wallet elsewhere. Over the weekend, I had the pleasure of ordering a 911 GTS Targa 4 and a 911 GT3. They are very different cars even though they are built on the same platform. I love my 2016 California T and would have loved to order a Pista or a Pista Aperta. No chance per my dealer (they have their rules regarding allocations from the factory). So, for about the same price as a Pista (maybe less) I am ordering a pair of really fun cars in the alternative.
     
  19. Lukeylikey

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    I would like an Aperta. I think there is a decent chance I will get one if I give my coupe allocation up. I don’t really believe the premium will be as much as for the Speciale Aperta come resale but perhaps a third or half of it.

    That’s not the reason I want the Aperta, though it is a helpful thought since this is not a clear cut decision due to appearance and chassis stiffness. Although I have driven a Speciale on track many times I have never driven my own Speciale on track since I bought it new in 2015. That is about to change because I have the chance to drive on the Le Mans circuit next month and I will use my Speciale for that - can’t resist! The point though, is that I won’t buy the Pista to slog around a track so the trade-off for chassis stiffness versus open-top motoring makes sense for me. I love the open air feeling and the added noise and exhilaration it brings. I drive my cars in beautiful locations, travelling to the alps, Spain, south of France etc. I still want the added driving experience the Pista will bring but adding the open-air feeling to it is worth it. I care very much about the driving and very little about the showing (except I do love it when we drive through small villages in France or Spain and see the joyful reaction of young children to a posse of exotics).

    I can’t say that the open lid doesn’t detract from the drive experience because it does, slightly. When you close the roof it is much less noticeable so you do have a choice, but with the roof open and on broken roads there is some shimmy in my 488 Spider. Does it make me regret choosing it over a GTB? Nope.

    I could choose a McLaren (and I had a 12C Spider for that exact reason). But I prefer Ferrari and the way the Ferraris drive, and the demerit from an aluminium spider over a carbon spider is not enough to overcome the merit I feel the Ferrari driving experience gives.

    Adding it all up, I buy cars for the driving as much as anything else and I will choose the Aperta if I get the chance precisely for that reason. I happen to think the Pista’s lines will really suit an Aperta too but that is just a subjective opinion and others will feel different. I have two other friends who will get a Pista and neither of them want the Aperta (despite one already owning an LT Spider). They joke about me having to struggle to keep up if I buy an Aperta....we’ll see about that!
     
  20. Newjoint

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    For street driving top down the Aperta wins- sound,sun and wind enhance the experience for me from March through November here in the Northeast. Doubtful one would ever feel a significant loss in performance on the street.
    If I tracked the Pista different story but since I don’t I’ll take that minuscule loss in performance as I do in my 488 spider


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  21. Rossocorsa1

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    My reasoning for preferring berlinettas is all about the looks, particularly with a car on this level because of the loss of seeing that glorious carbon fiber engine. As for loss of performance and regidity, come on, w occasional weekend track warrior can really judge such a minor thing with a car as extreme as a Pista?
     
  22. QueueCumber

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    Aperta of course. It will be worth a lot more for resale. Also, spiders are much more fun and the convertible top will hide that itty bitty engine. :p Unless you're a competitive racer and constantly pushing these cars to the very edge of their performance, I don't see why you'd go coupe...
     
  23. LVP488

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    I suspect it might be easier to feel the lack of stiffness of a spider compared to a berlinetta rather than the performance difference between a GTB and a Pista.
    If cars are judged by selling prices it's a different matter, the most expensive car being always the best the Pista is far superior to the GTB and the Pista Aperta will be dramatically better.
     
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  24. REALZEUS

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttle_shake

    A fairly good amateur driver can distinguish such things within a couple of miles.
     
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  25. QueueCumber

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    If that kind of stuff gets your OCD to flair up over the pleasure of having the top down, then get the Aperta and flip it for a coupe... lol :p
     
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