Wondering which one of the 2 should be my next one. Love the NA V12 But Like the playfulness of a rear mid engine 812 seems more GT and user friendly but Pista looks way more exotic Had a 599 but went back to 458 because the 599 felt big and cumberson comparatively to the 458. But with 4 wheel steering maybe the 812 experience would be a lot more different than the 599 - Any thoughts out there ??
Unless you already have an allocation for either you are probably looking at overs or 2020 delivery by which time the marketplace may look quite different
I was talking with someone who just took delivery of his 812 and also owns a 488. I asked him about the 4 wheel steering and if it made the 812 feel closer to the 488. He said there was still a very distinct difference, that the 812 drove like a big car in comparison.
Thanks for the input guys - Another factor is when will the dealer deliver either one ? Personally I think it's only worth while getting the 812 is if it's a"19"model delivered well before the end of this year otherwise a big pass - Lusso customers are gonna end up with early deliveries of Pista and the rest of us will have to make do for mid to late 2019 calendar year. I have a 488 spider enroute so not to desperate either
Seems like you answered your own question... hang on to your 488 Spider until your Pista allocation comes along. Enjoy! I would expect Pista values to have lower depreciation than other F cars, but will depreciate nonetheless. The 458 Speciale was a last of breed, hence the high numbers on resale... Pista will not share that same trait (430 Scud, 360 CS) etc... all of which had better than normal depreciation numbers, but they did lose value.
I say 812, the Pista is great but its a track weapon that can be used for DD duties if need be, the 812 is a sweet mix of both. And to me nothing comes close to the V12 experience. Additionally the 812 has more room inside and can be used as more of a GT if you want to enjoy those fun miles ahead. The Pista is a very focused car and the argument of values is so different across markets. We are talking about potentially the LAST NA V12 ever!
Facing the same first world problem. Way I look at it is that 812 is a Ferrari without equal, because of that V12 as @uhn2000 says. Pista is likely more nimble on track but not head and shoulders above the competition - 720s, GT2 RS etc. Agree Pista likely holds value better than the 812, however.
I also pick 812. Pista will be a fun and nimble car to drive on track but nothing can compare to the NA V12 Ferrari experience, the raw power this car possess is pretty amazing. Of course I'll still get a Pista but I'm a little skeptical how much of an upgrade it'll have over the already amazing 488, I missed the 430Scud it was raw and night&day difference over the regular 430, but to be honest I was not that impressed with Speciale since it wasn't much of an improvement over the regular 458. Best choice is to get both but if only comes down to one I'll pick 812.
Good points all around.. additionally one other good thing about a V12 is it just sounds great going slow and even better going fast. It is really a magical engine by Ferrari.. what a feat! Pista sounds awesome BTW but it will never be a Ferrari V12... sorry. https://488pista.ferrari.com/en/homepage/performance/track-list
812 hands down. After spending a little over a month with mine, all I can say is that engine is a masterpiece. It's not just about the sound either (which is spectacular) - the way it revs, it feels like there is almost no inertia, it's so instant. It adds so much to the driving experience. I have a pista allocation and plan on taking it up - it will no doubt be very good. But to try and make this decision easier - in say 10 years time which one will you regret not getting? This will be a world of no new V12's and very, very fast turbo/electric cars with even crazier aero.
Have you owned any rear engined V8 ? If so How would you compare it to the 812 - I mean you experiences and preferences between the two
I have had a few over the years and most recently a 488 for almost 2 years. I haven't taken the 812 on track yet, so I haven't had enough seat time to really compare the 2. But I would make the following comments of my experiences so far - Both cars are brilliant and will have you grinning after a spirited drive. But I enjoy the 812 more - I was expecting the 812 to be less nimble than the 488, but I am not sure it is - the 4ws is really impressive. In short you should drive one in anger - I bet you'll be surprised how good it is. - The 812 feels alot faster, but I think this is probably an illusion - it just sounds like you are going faster. The thrill of even short bursts is magnified by that engine. - The 812 has a few inches more headroom, so I am more comfortable (i am a tad over 6'4") - Suspension is firmer in the 812, so ride isn't as good. But still more than comfortable with bumpy road mode on Ultimately the sharper track tool is clearly going to be the pista. But for me, neither car will spend the majority of time on the track - so if it's just one the V12 wins
How about: Grab F12 for now, then decide which one to go for. I think a lot of this comes down to whether you prefer that ultra nimble feeling of the mid engine V8 car or the more stable/ more mature, but at higher speeds it will be faster, V12. I can tell you my F12 almost makes my 458 feel like a toy. And I love my 458.
It won't be....there will be a VS and LE which will trump it and those will be the coveted cars (from a residual point of view). The regular 812 will eventually depreciate like all V12 Ferraris do. But for the vast majority of us who will be unlikely to get an VS or LE, yes, this will probably be the last hurrah of the unassisted NA V12.
If you are serious in this decision, I would suggest you check with your dealer on the availability of a Pista. I'm driving my 18th Ferrari. No luck getting one for me.
Not sure I agree. Seems like the standard 458 has held up pretty well even though it was not THE last NA V8
Such different cars yet both sensational. It really comes down to use and what experience you are looking for.
