Ouch! on the TR. Any idea if the Shelby Daytona is real? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Is this TR a recreation? I noticed a somewhat different rear suspension with leaf springs...Not correct for a 1958 customer car i.m.o.
That is not 2300 CSX. Look at both photo's. Look at the rear spoiler top. Look at the tail lights. Look at the paint. The top left upper cornor of the rear window. Perhaps he wants to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?
Walter Do you seriously think these are the same car or that the one on top is CSX 2300? I bet even Kare agrees with me here... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
these cannot be the same car...unless he dropped new bodywork on it. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
As far as I know, Jim, the Simeone car is CSX2287, the first prototype. CSX2300 was the Alan Mann car painted in White with red & blue stripes, sent to Alan Mann Racing in period. Carroll Shelby's personal car for a while, sold by RM Auctions in 2000. I can see the car in the pictures being 2300, despite it looking different from the car at the Simeone Foundation...
The Simeone car is CSX2287, which if I remember right was built in-house here in Venice, CA. The bodywork of the others was farmed out to an Italian coachmaker who took a lot of liberties with the original design, and I believe tried to 'correct' what they thought Brock had done wrong. My takeaway is that there are a few inconsistencies between all of the cars made, with 2287 being the most original of the bunch.
http://retroscenemag.com/post/The-Story-Of-A-Real-Daytona-Cobra.aspx I have to look at other photo's of 2300. Wiki has FS's car as 2300 and as you say is wrong.
Here's the RM photo of 2300 Compare the photos. Note the scallop scoops on the one that was at the Ring at the sides of the rear. The shape of the spoiler. Holes vs no holes in top and back of spoiler. White stripe carry over on back of spoiler. There is a replica of 2300 racing in Europe. I still think the one at the Ring is a replica. The Ring one is missing number lights and the White is also on the opposite side in the rear. The RM car has 10 bolts along the rear window edge to the angle. The Ring car has 6. Others? http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2009/04/will-this-become-worlds-most-expensive.html Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Another indicator is the number of rivets along the rear window.. the car at the 'ring has less than half of the RM photo of 2300.
From what I understand they have it as 2287 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_Daytona#Chassis_.23_CSX2287_-_The_Prototype Like I said, the car at the Foundation is the long lost prototype, with a very interesting story involving Phil Spector and some other acquaintances with the legal system.... I've no idea about the Nurburgring Old Timer car, but I do thing the RM car in the auction pics looks a lot more like the car at the Ring event than 2287, especially because 2287 is a uniquely bodied car... Then again there are many differences... The RM picture shows white painted exhausts. I can see a black line near the left rear lights on the RM picture that might be evidence of a scoop cover, though I can't see why they would cover those scoops. I don't see what you're talking about re:the rear window. The RM photo looks close enough given the angle... The bolts on the rear screen are definitely different. Perhaps the car has sustained damage to the rear? That could explain a lot...
Here are pictures of Christian Glasel's car, CSX2300 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bossmustanguk/2921878078/in/photostream/ http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/Mathammondifa/Croyde05003.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/richebetspics/2872539956/sizes/l/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/41534135@N02/3846261577/ Interestingly this picture shows a right side mirror. Not present in the RM picture, though that doesn't mean much.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41534135@N02/3847054144/in/photostream/ And here's a photo of Glasel's car from behind: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41534135@N02/3865929002/in/photostream/ Definitely the right number of rivets on the back window, but the white patch is painted on the Left. It looks like a whole different piece of plexiglass, with the circular openings on the top. Given the fact that in the Nurburgring picture the spare tire has no rim, or a different rim from the RM photo, it may just be he removed the back window to fit in a different spare and fitted a different piece of plexi with no cooling vents and less rivets. Still doesn't explain the scoops cut into the back...
Yes, but someone mentioned the car at the Ring belonged to CG. Or at least that's what I understood... Nevertheless, after looking at all these pics it seems to me the Ring car isn't real, and no way 2300CSX, like you originally said. It doesn't show up in Sportscar Digest's photo album...
Walter did and it may as there is a replica 2300 racing in Europe and maybe CG owns it and brought it to the Ring OTD. Maybe he doesn't and Walter confused the cars but the one originally posted isn't 2300 or real based on photos of the real 2300.
This is the CG car during the 6 hrs of Spa 2009 Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Not really, there are many real Ferraris pictured in this thread. By the way, speaking of "bent" Ferraris at the Ring: the SWB 2439 did have a little mishap as well, kissed by Bernd Hahne. Image Unavailable, Please Login