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P1124 code 360 Modena HELP!

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  1. Julius Perbanze

    Apr 17, 2019
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    Hello all, I’m in need of assistance from all of you experts. I have recently bought a 2003 Ferrari 360 Modena, 29.000km from a dealer and all looked perfect but bringing it home, after 600km I had an "engine light" code P1124 “Long Term fuel Trim Additive Air”. I took it to a mechanic, specialize in Ferrari (that’s what he says for what it looks) and he has been looking into the car to find the solution but after 5 weeks, in which I have picked the car three times from the workshop and in hours, always the engine light comes back. It looks like he can’t find what its wrong with the car. The car works perfectly but the engine light kips coming out. So, anyone has had this problem? Can anyone bring me some light?
    Tomorrow I’m planning in taking the car to the Ferrari official workshop, I think it’s the best idea, but I would love to have some input from you guys. Thank you very much!

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  2. 360+Volt=Prius

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  3. irix

    irix Karting

    Aug 28, 2015
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    P1124 Long Term Fuel Trim Additive Air System too Lean (max)
    1. Check the fuel pressure
    2. Check HC CO emission with no lambda integrator
    3. Check injector and wiring
    4. check ignition coil and wiring
    5. check exaust system leakage
    Thats what the manual says.

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    And CHECK YOUR GROUNDS
     
  5. JonM

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    Oct 31, 2017
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    Hi Julius - my 360 was throwing a P1126, which I believe is the same as P1124 but for bank 2. It did it nearly every time I drove it, usually within half an hour or so of stopping and then re-starting the engine. My indy couldn't find anything wrong, and basically put it down to the non-standard (Tubi) exhaust. Once day when cleaning the engine bay, I noticed a hose that was disconnected from the vacuum accumulator on the right, rear of the engine bay. It was a hose that went to the solenoid that would have been part of the left exhaust valve, if it still had them (Tubi exhaust removes the valves). I reconnected the hose back in January this year and haven't had a CEL since. Before I found this, I did basic things like swapping O2 & MAF sensors between banks to see if the code switched banks, but nothing ever changed until I reconnected the vacuum hose. Just a thought of places to look. Good luck and let us all know what the final outcome is. Jon
     
  6. Julius Perbanze

    Apr 17, 2019
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    Thank you all very much! I will keep you posted with further news. All the best.
     
  7. 360trev

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    The Error codes are all associated with Diagnosis of Fuel System Plausibility.

    Left hand Bank
    P1126 P1125 P1125 P1125

    Right Hand Bank
    P1124 P1123 P1123 P1123

    The OBD II system is constantly monitoring the fuel supply system. It is designed to detect any faults in fuel supply system that could lead to incorrect or deviations in the air fuel ratio mixtures by using the primary wideband o2 sensors in a feedback loop. Mixture adaptation will try to "learn" and correct faults in order to dynamically adapt for engine operation in the best possible way.

    Examples of correction are Leakage of air (or gasket leaks in general) and Pressure controller tolerance or fluctuating fuel density (Fuel Pressure faults, e.g. faulty fuel pumps or air leaks), so within certain limits (+/- 25% multiplicative and +/- 25% additive) the mixture adaptation is capable of correcting such an error with only little impact on emissions and drivability.

    ... However if the problem deviates too far from the above-mentioned characteristics it causes a CEL as above, in this case on your RH bank. Only part of the error can be compensated and a residual error remains which must constantly be compensated by the Lambda controller dependent on the load and engine speed point.

    So check for air leaks, check air flow meters, check for good fuel pressure, check o2 sensors are good. If you have an aftermarket sports exhaust and the valves are deleted you MUST block the pipes for the valves otherwise it cannot keep vacuum and its required to do manifold switchover, etc. not just operation of the exhaust valves.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  8. Black360

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    Oct 11, 2010
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    As a diagnostic test, would it be acceptable to plug the intake manifold where the evap hoses connect? If so, should the disconnected vacuum lines also be plugged for the test?
     

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