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P0152-front O2 sensor hi voltage. READY TO GIVE UP.

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  1. RedNeck

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    I can't get rid of this code. The plugs and both front O2 sensors were replaced by the previous owner less than 2 years ago (I've really only put 1xxx miles on the car since I've got it. I spent the last few months with the intake off. Replaced ALL coils, ALL injectors, ALL manifold gaskets, battery, terminals, plus heat exchanger (unrelated). Might try throwing new plugs in again, in case one might have gotten fouled while running the car with the code. Could cats/exhaust cause this? Did NOT get the misfire codes that were associated last time (yet). I'm at my wit's end with this and am losing interest quickly. What's left?
     
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    what about cat ECU,S, Would they cause this? Also, id confirm the previous owner didnt put aftermarket 02 sensors on
     
  4. RedNeck

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    Cat ECU are both new within the past 6 months, they wouldn’t have anything to do with this.

    UPDATE: looks like I am throwing P0132 also (again) same code on other O2 sensor. High voltage.
     
  5. cpep

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    Just because the sensors were replaced doesn't mean they arent bad. What is the voltage right to left for the fronts. Does that read 1.49v? If so you may have a wiring issue or the sensor is bad. I believe it should be around 1 or less.
     
  6. RedNeck

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    Yup, did a live data and they both read about the same, 1.4xVDC
     
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    Good call, I have aftermarket cats so the sensors are reasonably simple to get to. I will try this next and report back. Thank you.
     
  9. RedNeck

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    I guess my confusion is this.... I’m getting the same thing fromBOTH ECU’s...so if it is wiring related, how would it be possible that 2 completely separate ECU’s are acting completely identical?
     
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    I agree. That's why it could just be the sensors themselves. But You said the previous owner replaced them. I would ask myself why? Pre cat sensors usually last a long time so he may have had the same issue. Is there anything common to the pre cat o2 circuit.
     
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    Just curious does it smell or look like it's running rich? It may actually be an engine issue like a vacuum leak or injector problem .
     
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    It does smell sweet, but has high flow cars and exhaust, all injectors are brand new
     
  13. Kevin Rev'n

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    That sounds like you replaced a lot of stuff that is in the ECU's domain. The dealer can plug the car in and reset the "computer adaptions on the ECU's". This is done when a new ECU is introduced to the system. Not sure if it will help if you have a lot of aftermarket mods but just sharing in case you want to start a dialog with a dealer tech that has the tools.
     
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    Just cats and exhaust...nothing crazy, have mini cats on the downstream sensors. Used all OEM replacement parts for the replacements, wouldn’t that cause the computer to learn the air/fuel curves, etc.?
     
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    disconnect sensor does V go to zero?

    1.4xV on bank 1 and 2 implies both running rich.

    A cause can be leaky fuel injectors. When if ever were they REMOVED from car and cleaned and balanced?
     
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    All 8 were replaced, brand new. Will be disconnecting soon, NASCAR took precedence.
     
  17. AD170

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    The 1.5V showing at Key on engine off is Bias Voltage. Its what the ECM uses to check for open and shorts. You can use that voltage to check for circuit integrity and a good ECM by pulling the signal to ground and seeing if the reading goes to zero. Make sure the prior owner installed the proper O2 sensor. You can check proper operation of a Wide Band sensor by monitoring the voltage in graph form on your Scan Tool and snap throttle. The voltage should go initial lean (positive voltage) and then rich (negative voltage) as it responds to the exhaust Oxygen content. It then should go flat. Also what are your Fuel Trim values? Are they showing negative? If so, then you have a rich condition, as the ECM is trying to lean the Air/Fuel ratio.
     
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    Checked both O2 sensors, correct part numbers, seem to be installed correctly. Looking at live data with engine on, the voltage seems largely unchanged (jumps around a little) and then can go 2-3V when blipping the throttle. I have 4 different tools, I will have to see if I have the capability to graph on any of them.
     
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    Is that in open loop or closed loop warmed up. I’m guessing you already tried doing a ecm reset by disconnecting battery power for a night.
     
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    BTW, short term fuel trim is -2.3% at 2500 RPM

    Closed...it's been cleared and reset many times. Always comes back. Just spent a few months without a battery
     
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    Well you can try what Kevin said and have the ecu's reset. Are you sure you don't have any type of vacuum leak? Did you try the propane trick up and down both sides of the engine. Who did the injectors? Was it a dealer? Could they be incorrect and dumping fuel? Do you know anyone with an emissions analyzer to see whats coming out of the tail pipes. It could be legitimately rich.
     
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    What are short and long term fuel trims at idle and 2500 rpm on each bank? Total fuel trim values are short plus long term as long term fuel trims goal is to keep short term fuel trim as close to zero as possible. For example, if short term trim is a constant -5% then long term fuel trim is moved to -5% by the ECM thereby raising short term trim back to 0%
     
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    LTFT was 0.0%, right where it needed to be, the freeze frame data only captured at 2600 rpm, might be reaching beyond the capability of my code readers, but you have provided a wealth of info, thank you! I will try reading again and see if I can't get the live data on those.
     
  25. RedNeck

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    Excellent info! I will try that also
     

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