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Open ended lease deal on 458 Yay or no?

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by mannym, Jun 4, 2015.

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  1. mannym

    mannym Rookie

    Jun 4, 2015
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    I've never done a open ended lease can someone tell me if this is a decent deal.

    Msrp 270k
    5 year
    10K down
    3400 a month including tax
    residual 148000

    thank you
     
  2. StatusIV

    StatusIV Rookie

    Apr 20, 2015
    30
    Lebanon
    My advice take it for one month then buy it or something, In such beauty you can't stand the idea of leasing..
    I would lease an SUV (RR 2014) but not 458
     
  3. 09Scuderia

    09Scuderia F1 Rookie

    Nov 20, 2011
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    Max
    If I did my math right you would have nearly $400k wrapped up in this car after 60 months assuming you paid cash at the end....

    Pay cash or don't buy it.
     
  4. mannym

    mannym Rookie

    Jun 4, 2015
    25
    Lease it under my business, 100%write it off.

    and I would only keep it 2 or so years


    So I would hope in 2 years that the car could sell for 50k less (after 2 years residual would be around 220) then I walk away if major depreciation I would lose a lot its like Russian roulette with the 488 coming out. If 488 is a major hit- major depreciation if its a bust then I should be able to hold residual values after 2 years.
     
  5. howydo

    howydo Formula Junior

    Jan 31, 2009
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    In addition you can write off the difference it costs you to get out of it through the business. Definite tax benefits if you're not planning on keeping car. 488 will effect depreciation but probably not substantially for 1-2 years. The car has a wait list and will be more expensive than the 458.
     
  6. Iadvise

    Iadvise Karting

    Mar 5, 2013
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    How can it be a 100% write off through the business??
     
  7. 09Scuderia

    09Scuderia F1 Rookie

    Nov 20, 2011
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    and how do you do this with a Ferrari.

    Feel free to ignore this well intended suggestion. Don't buy something like this until you can pay cash.
     
  8. tunlhd1

    tunlhd1 Karting

    Jul 12, 2008
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    Mike
    How many miles/year permitted on the lease?
     
  9. mannym

    mannym Rookie

    Jun 4, 2015
    25
    There is no mileage cap on open-ended lease you drive it as much as you want knowing the more you drive the more the resale value goes down.

    So lets say I buy a 2015 for 270,000 in two years I get rid of it and my residual after two years is $220,000

    Lets say I put 500 miles on the car an the value of my car is 240,000 I can sell the car and get a $20,000 check back to me.

    Lets say I put 50,000 miles in two years an the car is worth $150,000 then I would have to cut a check to Ferrari for $70,000

    So its a game of deprecation. Now I would never ever do a personal open ended lease but Ferrari accepts business leases (doesn't even go on your credit report) goes under your business and like the previous user wrote you can write off the monthly payment an also if you end up losing in the end and paying out of pocket you can write that off also but still not fun cutting that check.
     
  10. carcommander

    carcommander Formula 3

    Sep 28, 2006
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    If I were going to do a 458 right now I would do a '11 with less than 5k miles for about 200k. writing off a 458 through a business is fraught with peril. It's usually expensive to get out of a lease a year early.
     
  11. fxbianca

    fxbianca Karting

    Apr 7, 2004
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    Stuart FL
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    Frank Conidi
    Just bought a 2010 with 6K, 195K, through my business. Picking it up tomorrow :)))))))Financed through Ferrari. 60 mth 3.99 with 90K balloon at the end. Traded my 348. Monthly payment just above 1600. Plan to drive it a bit and then trade in 2 to 3 years.
     
  12. bobbyd

    bobbyd Formula Junior

    Nov 17, 2003
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    Your lease deal kinda stinks...

    Per my calculation you are paying a money factor of over .0033, which translates to an interest rate of 8% or so...that's at least double the interest of standard financing...

    Good luck...
     
  13. Cigarzman

    Cigarzman F1 Veteran
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    If your looking for a creative way to buy the car let's say 270 k use your bank. Put down 100k with a two or three year balloon . It's better than a lease and you may be able to run as a business expense. This will cost you much less than that 8 pct lease deal.
     
  14. PA Wolfpacker

    PA Wolfpacker Formula Junior

    Aug 19, 2007
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    Neil
    If I remember correctly my accountant said you can write off 100% of a lease but if you purchase a car it has to be depreciated over 7 years. He also stated there is a limit to how much they allow you to write off, so be sure the total cost of the lease does not exceed that limit.
     
  15. Chupee

    Chupee Formula Junior

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    Your thinking kinda stinks! The cost is the cost! cash, finance etc makes no difference. as a Wealth Planner for 30 years it still amazes me how successful people do not understand how money actually works.
    You either pay interest or lose the ability to earn interest. if the cost of the money is 3.9% that's cheap money. It all about the use & control of those dollars. If you watch how the wealthy live they don't pay cash they collateralize!

    Good Luck!
     
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  16. 2006m5

    2006m5 Formula Junior

    Dec 19, 2008
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    Are really using it for your business.
    To pickup clients and to see clients.
     
  17. 2006m5

    2006m5 Formula Junior

    Dec 19, 2008
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    Very true they don't use there money they use everybody else cash.
    But when u are a millionaire with 40 million in the bank it's easy to do this vs
    Guys with a couple million.
    The very wealthy get special attention.
     
  18. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Feb 11, 2008
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    World's most giant IRS red flag: Leasing a Ferrari and writing it off for business purposes.
     
  19. 2006m5

    2006m5 Formula Junior

    Dec 19, 2008
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    Mayor u are correct.
    That's what I stated above.
     
  20. IPO1

    IPO1 F1 Rookie

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    For me buy a minty used with depreciation hit taken, pay cash and move on.
     
  21. Eilig

    Eilig F1 Rookie
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    Even if your business is automotive-related, and you are using it for valid business purposes?
     
  22. IPO1

    IPO1 F1 Rookie

    Dec 23, 2015
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    Will it raise eyebrows yes. Is it legal...that's between you and the IRS.

    I will say it will cause a likelihood of an audit and IRS always wins on an audit--not matter what (at the very least the $10K+ in attorney fees).

    Choose your battles.
     
  23. 2fastforu

    2fastforu Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2006
    351
    I was creative in my 13 458 Spider purchase. Paid wholesale through an auction for $273K, MSRP $340K+ thanks to Allen Faulkner (I hired him to find the right car for me). Put $50K down because I wanted to leave my money in the stock market, getting higher rate of return on my investments. Took a HELOC loan at 3.99% variable rate. Then refinanced my home (had lots of equity) and got 2.875% on the new 10 year loan on my house. I could've paid off the car with cash but didn't want to take it out of the stock market. 2.875% loan will actually be lower since I can write off the expense when filing taxes on my house so effective rate is even lower than 2.875%. Almost like borrowing free money. Hope this gives you some ideas.
     
  24. wthensler

    wthensler F1 Rookie
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    Agree 100% with The Mayor. I was going to do something similar, but was dissuaded by my accountant. Traffic cameras are everywhere these days, you will have to justify the 100% business use if audited by Uncle Sam.
     

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