https://carbuzz.com/features/this-is-the-only-manual-ferrari-430-scuderia-in-the-world
Personally, I'd rather have the stock transmission. I like manual transmissions just fine, but the scud's gearbox is the pinnacle of single-clutch automated manual transmissions and defines the car more than any one other feature. You take that away, and it's just a faster 430 IMO.
That’s why Porsche and Aston offer them. Even the new stratos can be had in manual. Guess it’s a sign of the demographics Ferrari have been chasing recently. One f tech was telling me the wear issues with carbon brakes and the fact that so many card they see today have never had them bedded in properly as people aren’t “pressing on”!!
Some speculator trying to make a quick profit will have a rude awakening understanding that a manual aftermarket conversion is not as desirable as an original manual car from the factory. The car was sold at auction a month ago for $220K https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/2008-FERRARI-430-SCUDERIA-228110
I love manuals, but the car should be a cohesive package, and some cars are just not suited. No one would put a manual in modern F1 car; there is line somewhere, and I think these cars are on the other side of that line.
The Scud had a special F1 gearbox internals that was not in the standard F430. It had different forks and shifted about the same speed as the 2008 F1 car did. Bottom line -- they should have done this to a regular F430 and left the Scud alone.
So it sold at Barret Jackson for $220K - https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/2008-FERRARI-430-SCUDERIA-228110 and now it is for sale at $389,900 back in San Antonio? So the guys that put it up for auction were the auction winners and now they are trying to sell it for more? https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?clickType=spotlight&endYear=2020&fbclid=IwAR2v6MM38emcmuPwwLPfppdE8aehIXZ9kzyj2Pb-lIqpT5zgqkGrW500g8c&firstRecord=0&listingId=507839241&makeCodeList=FER&modelCodeList=F430&numRecords=25&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D78216%26startYear%3D1981%26sortBy%3Drelevance%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26marketExtension%3Don%26endYear%3D2020%26modelCodeList%3DF430%26makeCodeList%3DFER%26searchRadius%3D50&searchRadius=50&startYear=1981&zip=78216
Where does that info come from? I don't see a manual conversion pulling a premium like the factory gated does. The rarity and originality factor in. If anything, since most buyers are looking for 100% stock, it will be worth the same or less than it would as an F1. I wouldn't necessarily be totally comfortable with an unknown indie doing a conversion of that nature. Long history on that car both here and fb pages. Guy that did it is on here, total bag that went around bragging about the conversion and was going to get $1 million for the car. Ended up fetching $220k and dude broke even and ate a good amount of crow. As much I as I am a gated fan, he did a great disservice to this car, made it slower and devalued it long term. Would not be surprised if someone converts is back someday.
Just one of the many sea of opinions on this one. I personally think he was shooting for a market that is very difficult to enter. People want provenance and factory backup. That aside I personally love this conversion and even helped out technically free of charge to ensure they did a factory level of conversion on it in terms of the electronics. It is a well considered conversion and still retains all the factory parts including the superfast2 gearbox with slicker syncromesh so it does actually help shift speeds even for manual H-gate. Furthermore it actually uses the correct Scuderia firmware with Ion sensing so its exactly as it came from the factory. This means you get the full ticket in terms of performance. Most people would have just hacked the F430 firmware into the car but this is quite an achievement since the car never came in this configuration out of the box. Overall the difference in performance is negligible and if you put sports cats on you'd probably be exactly the same (or even depending on the driver). However in terms of outright enjoyment this is got to be right up there with the best H-gate cars out there. If Ferrari would have produced this it would have been proclaimed as the best ever highest value, etc. but because it was done (even with Ferrari parts) people would be concerned about its impact on value. Overall as a car of enjoyment perspective I think its epic. My project took me 10+ years to get to a similar power to weight ratio on my 360 as what this achieves right out of the box and I probably spent the price of a Challenge Stradale on top of the base car to get that performance. I know how fun my car feels at this level and I wouldnt swap it for anything (and these days i've purchased a much quicker McLaren too which has 700hp+ and yet if I had to choose I'd still keep the 360 its that good). I think this Scud is in the same class of enjoyment.
Will definitely take your word on that, I know and respect your history and work. You are THE "project master" . I have no doubt it's a spectacular car to drive, but IMO it's still a highly modified Scuderia that very few people outside of you and the shop that did the conversion will know what went into it if there's a problem in the future. I'm sure Ferrari won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. That's why I say it will probably go back to stock someday or sit and rot. It's proven that the conversion has brought little to no value to the car (I heard the shop kept it?), and to be totally honest, I think one of the biggest reasons it turned into such a sore spot with the Ferrari community is the crappy attitude Merrick and his buds brought with them.
I think it's the same shop selling it. Didnt bring anything on B-J and they are going the autotrader route.
Its definitely a car for a niche group of individuals, no doubt about that... It would have to be part of your collection of niche special cars. I get it but not everyone will and I am glad it exists as it must be sensational to drive. Such a shame Ferrari didn't make even a few examples. The car isn't actually very modified at all in terms of parts used. The amount of bits swapped over isn't as many as you'd think since the entire system was originally designed by Ferrari to accept both H-gate and F1 so it was a bolt in parts swap of genuine parts. They are just linkage cables and so forth and removing the hydraulic actuation. All parts came from Ferrari and where all new too, not from a breaker so in terms of costs involved they didn't skimp on the conversion. I do think they are their own worst enemy with regards to the way it was presented, it didn't really do them any favors whatsoever and they left no time to get it reviewed and let people see it, touch it and drive it before it was thrown straight into some silly auction. Overall the video's while had nice editing and looked good, they where not technical enough and tried too much to be dramatic rather than explaining the obstacles and how they needed to be overcome. I found it challenging to reverse engineer the 430 Scuderia software without any information about it being available (thanks to my work on Swiss Army Knife I was able to understand it quite quickly despite it being quite different to the base F430 software). I also suggested they give the new owner all the conversion parts in a box and contact details so if the owner wished it could be converted back at anytime in the future). I know they worked damn hard on doing this pretty challenging conversion but fell short on communication. Overall the car is a great achievement without any Ferrari factory backup to get it done but it is very niche and at the big boy prices I think they would need someone like a Jay Leno to fall for it rather than a typical enthusiast... i.e. deep pockets and willing to pay for it. Very few people fall into this camp.
"The market for supercars with a gated manual transmission is heating up tremendously. We advise getting in while prices are still relatively stable before cars like this become untouchable to anyone who's bank account doesn't have 10 digits." Such music to my ears...!
The mechanical portion of the swap could be done quickly, the electrical... uh, no thanks. The 360 is much easier. The silly fake drama video series was lame and a distraction. BUT, I think the end product is cool and would much rather have it over a stock F1. So would most of you, don’t act like you wouldn’t.
I believe there has been a mega-thread ongoing about this car (the owner/guy that did the conversion) is a member. Cool project imho. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/430-scuderia-being-converted-to-manual-transmission-video-series-on-youtube.589385/
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/430-scuderia-being-converted-to-manual-transmission-video-series-on-youtube.589385/
nope. no desire whatsoever to own this car, even if it had been made by the factory. to me, this car is like having a brand new laptop, but hooking it up to a CRT screen; or installing a modern kitchen but continuing to use a woodfired oven for everything. the manual gearbox is an anachronism. a car as competent and powerful as the scud is correctly matched with the f1 gearbox of that generation which already changes gears in about 100 milliseconds. its supposed to be a street legal track car, and therefore it should be optimized for the track, not for posing.
.. and round we go on the flappy paddle Vs h gate debate. Fwiw I can lap an average driver in a 458 or Scud going around a circuit in my 360 (has same power to weight as those cars) using my gated car despite their paddle shift. I'm the one having more fun. I actually think once you get beyond 700hp it becomes too much of a handful not to let computers do the shifting for you or adjust the gear your in to protect box or engine from damage. At scud levels of power to weight gated still feels perfect and there isn't much on the road once you get into sync with the machine that could touch you...
apples and oranges. horses for courses, and to each his own. this subject is really only about opinions. now you know mine.
I used the word “most”. But I will definitely put you down as a “no”. I’m glad there are guys out there willing to hotrod a Scud.
hotrod can imply many things....to me, hotrodding a car means that you are doing things that the factory did not do, and that these changes improve the car. my F40 is considered hotrodded because i have newer turbos, the bigger brake package, a tubi, a fire suppression kit, and a bunch of carbon fiber parts. it would never pass classiche (and i dont give a damn), and more importantly it is now indisputably lighter, faster, louder, and stops better. the changes to this scud are not an indisputable improvement. these changes may be well done, and provide a different driving experience. but they are not necessarily an improvement over stock.
