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Oil Filler Cap Frozen -can't unscrew it!

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  1. jselevan

    jselevan Formula 3

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    Any tricks for unscrewing either of the oil filler caps? It has been some time since I drove the car or changed the oil. Cap is frozen on and will not unscrew. Have been here before, and previous attempts have led to bending/distortion of the filler cap.

    Thought about heat (as in torch), but the presumed pot-metal or aluminum tower that the oil cap threads to may not appreciate significant heat.

    All thoughts appreciated.

    (Sorry for my absence during the past few years....been busy).

    Jim S.
     
  2. racerboy9

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    You could use a heat gun even though I think you would be safe with a propane torch if you didn't get silly with it. Then maybe a strap wrench of the type used for oil filters. I wonder if using teflon plumbing tape might be a good solution if used wisely would be a possible solution to this problem.
     
  3. jselevan

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    Thank you Racerboy9,

    Before reading your reply I applied a bit of torch heat and lots of hand torque. Finally broke the corrosive weld.

    I have previously attempted to solve this very same problem with a strap (oil-filter strap) only to distort and make ugly the cap. So this is not a good solution.

    I tapped it gently with a hard rubber mallet, applied heat to the outside thread area of the tower, and twisted the heck out of it. Finally broke. Greased it up, vacuumed the tower (full of corrosive particulates), and wiped everything with an oily cloth to pick up debris.

    Jim S.
     
  4. 4CamGT

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    Jim,

    Welcome back!

    Freeman
     
  5. Tinbender

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    Have you tried anti-seize?
     
  6. jselevan

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    Would have to remove the tower/end cap from the head/valve cover to soak in anti-seize. More trouble than it's worth. As mentioned previously, perseverance and heat did the job.

    Thanks.

    Freeman - hope all is well with you...

    Jim S.
     
  7. racerboy9

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    I would think you would just put some anti-seize on the threads of the cap.
     
  8. champtc

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    Jim- nice to see you back on! you have been missed- now get out & drive those cars in that sunny weather! Its freezing sleet/snow back east & we are jealous!!
     
  9. dignini

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    welcome back, stay a while :)
     
  10. Tinbender

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    This is what I meant. For next time.
     
  11. dm_n_stuff

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    #11 dm_n_stuff, Dec 25, 2013
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    I have found this stuff can perform miracles when it comes to loosening things which otherwise won't loosen.

    They claim it wll defy gravity and crawl up into difficult to reach spots. I can't verfiy that, but I can verify it has helped on some stuff that I thought we'd never get loose without a torch.



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  12. Edward 96GTS

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    ^ how is it supposed to work?
     
  13. HMB-Dino

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    their `spin'...

    By combining rapid freezing action with an advanced, rust eating formula, seized or rusted parts are easily released. Shrinkage of sprayed parts quickly breaks open micro fine fissures allowing the lubricant to easily penetrate through the toughest rust. The innovative rust eating technology then dissolves rust making the job a snap and future maintenance easier as well.
     
  14. Edward 96GTS

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    works against rust only? what works on green loctite?
     
  15. swift53

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    Green Loctite is for sleeves, where have you applied it? It is not very strong.

    Regards, Alberto
     
  16. Edward 96GTS

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    applied to shift knob locknut on one of my cars. trying to remove shift knob.
     
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  18. swift53

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    Heat up a wrench, have an oven glove handy.

    If conditions permit it, and without damaging components or yourself,
    apply the wrench to the nut to transfer its heat, thus allowing it to break the Loctite grip.

    How much heat? it all depends which 'Green' you have used:

    "609, Green: Retaining compound, high strength, for mounting slip fit bearings to shafts.

    603, Green: Retaining compound, high strength, similar to 609 but good where the parts may be a little oily. Good for mounting oilite bushings in housings.

    640: Green: Retaining compound, high strength. Similar to 609 and 603. Lacks the oil tolerance of 603. Use it where you might have trouble with adjacent bearing contamination with the product, such as start shaft bearing blocks, since it has a little greater viscosity than 603.

    638, Green, rather thick: Ultra strong retaining compound for assemblies with a marked amount of slop in the fit, min 0.004". Don't try to use this stuff for normal bearings on healthy shafts. It sets almost immediately in the tight gap, and you'll never have the chance to get the bearing into place.

    290, Green: Wicking product for thread locking AFTER assembly. Medium strength, much stronger than 242 blue. Not the correct choice per Loctite for bearing mounting."

    Regards, Alberto
     
  19. Edward 96GTS

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    im thinking of putting an electric heat gun to heat up the shaft and locknut.
    ed
     
  20. petearron

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    Next time I would start the motor get it nice and hot, go to your local grocery store by 1 lb of dry ice or so maybe $1 handling the ice with a glove put it on the cap to get it real cold, should work.
     
  21. swift53

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    Possibly in reverse, as the dry ice on the cap will shrink it, thus make it tighter.

    I really like your suggestion about the dry ice though, I think it allows for other endless uses. Great tricks!

    Regards, Alberto
     
  22. petearron

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    yes maybe, I think the thermal shock either way of the 2 parts stuck together would break the bond between the parts. Dry Ice is negative -110F. It will soon sublimate putting in a freezer to save does no good.
     
  23. dignini

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    Apply consistent pressure and a slight tap every so often .it will work itself loose eventually.
     
  24. synchro

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    The forward of the two caps rarely gets used because of the incident angle with the bonnet - adding oil there is tight because an upside down bottle would be bumping into the hood's underside.

    When I went to check that cap it would not budge. I ended up using a monkey wrench plumbing spanner wrapped in heavy cushioned towel allowing a moment arm to apply opening pressure.
     
  25. jselevan

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    Pete Arron - thanks for the dry ice suggestion on a warm/hot engine. Good idea.

    Sorry for my absence...have been busy with some other projects.

    Any help is appreciated in this new family-owned/run company. Take a gander at our website

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    Looking for distributors in various states. OR suggestions on creative applications.

    Jim S.
     

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