OFFICIAL FERRARI F12 TDF PICTURE THREAD

PJ- That may have been caused by other factors, like the shocks overheating from the constant up and down near full travel. The Enzo had that problem when tested on the Ring.

 

TAZ, Then lets hope that it is a simple fix for Porsche and a non issue for the F12 TDF.

 

What is that rear band made of? Is it functional or just for looks?

 

Overheated shocks probably can happen at a place like the 'Ring, with the constant high-speed compression and rebounds. However, an overheated shock will not cause a suspension failure or a non-drivable condition, though it will make the car's handling degrade...

Hitting a curb, or repeated high speed bottoming, is more likely to break something, unless there is a weak link (pun very much intended) in the suspension pieces. (eg. - 430C, you run over enough curbs, your front wheel bearings give up the ghost quickly).

While the tdf has 230kg of downforce at 200kph, I would imagine (?) that they springs are spec'd to support that. After all, if you have a 100kg passenger and 20kg of baggage, you're already adding "downforce" to the F12....

I gave my Fcar salesman a session of hot laps on track in an F12last week, never bottomed out, even with his "personal downforce" sitting in the passenger seat. OTOH, I've run over a curb turtle in a 458 and bent the top of the shock...

 

HA! My new years resolution is to reduce my personal downforce

Great posts.

The rear band? Do you mean the strip of exposed CF? I think many panels are painted CF. The rear panel is made of CF and they leave the band area exposed.

 

I had a Grigio Ferro 458 Spider - lovely colour, warning can look a little dull in some lights.

 

While this is about the F12 tdF I would note that the P1 over a certain speed trims the rear spoiler. IF they didn't do that; the suspension would be damaged...

 

i think it looks terrible

but then again i also think blacked out rims are for people who don't want to clean off brake dust

 

It was exactly that 'dullness' that put me off speccing it on this car.

 

I'm not familiar with how McLaren tunes the movable aero on the P1. My understanding is that at high(er) speeds, the aero trims out to limit drag, which also reduces downforce (similar to 458 Speciale, LaF and now TDF). However, at first point of directional change, braking or other "dynamic", the systems crank the downforce back in (Bugatti and Jaguar systems are similar). Software and sensors are an amazing thing

Have no idea if the P1 creates enough downforce to "damage" anything, I'd imagine it's more about maintaining the right ride height (i.e. you don't want to hit a bump at high speed with no suspension compliance). Also, having too much rear downforce at high speed would make the front end every light and probably feel pretty scary through the steering, so I would imagine the "adjustable" rear downforce is more about maintaining balance.

On the GT3RS point, I did see an short article, the issue seems to be rubbing and scraping. God knows Porsche really crammed massive tires under that body work, but if the car was lowered, or they added camber, et al, it would make it worse. There is a YT video, you can hear the car bottom/scrape in compressions, but hard to tell where or why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=222&v=CY7NaaxdPNA

FWIW, our engineer sets up our race cars to have "a little less than just the right amount" of bottoming, depending on the track....(eg. entry to 5A at Mosport, the right front of the splitter)

anyway, sorry for the tangent back to the F12 tdf....

 

On the preview car at Pebble Beach, it was black CF, and appeared to be just "trim".

 

Too much down force generated at high speeds causing suspension damage was mentioned by Chris Goodwin in an interview with Jeremy Clarkson. The danger seemed real enough to McLaren that they engineered in a speed safety margin.
The way that Ferrari generates their down force is much more subtle than what companies like Porsche are doing.

 

So can you order it without the band?

 

I will find out on November 2nd when we are at the Atelier in Maranello. I don't know, but if anyone else has spec'd the car they may be able to chime in.

 

Enjoy the trip!

 

It's on the line this week - so I probably won't see it before December. Will post pics then.

 

Ferrari said the black band was to highlight the bridge and its aerodynamic role.

 

So it shows where the air flows and meets from both sides?

The band itself doesnt play any role, correct?

 

+1 I won't argue with that one

 

Andrew- Affirmative, purely lipstick. In this case, black lipstick.

 

I cant' wait to see yours !

 

The whole rear end is made from CF (as is the front end). The 'band' is simply unpainted or exposed CF. Purely aesthetic and plays no specific role. Will look great close up. The rendered pics do not do it any justice. Have specced mine in Rosso Mugello with Grigio wheels and ticked almost every CF option available but no word yet on RHD deliveries to our part of the world. Was able to secure 'TDF' registration plate. Price out the door including our crazy 34% luxury car tax approx $950K aussie dollars!

 

I've got to tell you all. I'm beginning to become more and more impressed with the Ferrari styling center. This is was the F12 is suppose to look like, the front, sides and rear are perfect for a front engine Ferrari.