Official Ferrari 812 Competizione and C Aperta value thread

The SP3 is +10HP There's your difference...
However, the SP3's engine is placed in the rear, huge difference in the mind of many.

The 812C 'price effect' has already been received, in the US, F12tdf prices jumped by 20% after 812C reveal.

If you focus just on the engine, the 812GTS and Monza basically have the same engine as well...if anything, the 812GTS prices are pulled up...

Nonetheless, given that this is close to if not the end of what the EU will allow Ferrari to do (without Ferrari adding hybrid, or, worse, turbos) with the V12, I am confident all the prices will only go up from here....so much demand, so few produced and, the end (of NA only).

 

From what I have been told, anyone who is offered these cars is required to sign a contract stating the only entity you are allowed to sell the car to in the first 18 months, is the dealer where it was purchased. If the contract is violated, you are never allowed to order another car ever again. The factory, the dealer and you, all know that the car can be flipped for profit, but why anyone offered one would do that is beyond my comprehension.


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Thanks, so I did a quick review.

The SVM derogations only appear for emissions requirements, not vehicle safety regulations.

That said:

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/eu-action/transport-emissions/road-transport-reducing-co2-emissions-vehicles/co2-emission-performance-standards-cars-and-vans_en

Derogations

Manufacturers may apply for a derogation from their specific emission target at the following conditions:

A small-volume manufacturer (responsible for less than 10 000 cars or less than 22 000 vans newly registered per year) can propose its own derogation target, based on the criteria set in the Regulation.
A niche car manufacturer (responsible for between 10 000 and 300 000 cars newly registered per year) can apply for a derogation for the years until 2028 included. Between 2020 and 2024, the derogation target must correspond to a 45% reduction from its average emissions in 2007. In the years 2025 to 2028, the derogation target will be 15% below the 2021 derogation target.

And, that's what Ferrari has done, but their petition from 2016 expires soon, I am sure they have applied for a new derogation, but, none are appearing yet...will be interesting to see if they are approved and for what exactly...

https://circabc.europa.eu/faces/jsp/extension/wai/navigation/container.jsp

sample: Ferrari petition 2016-2021 (curious that it is combined...)

https://circabc.europa.eu/sd/a/f0ecf09b-aaae-4bf2-bdd9-fc7fbb53591d/C_2016_6338_Ferrari_Maserati_McLaren.PDF

and, for fun, what derogations did Lamborghini receive?
https://circabc.europa.eu/sd/a/22654f4d-16df-4aa5-b83e-f88fb0a6ce29/C_2019_8932 Lamborghini.pdf

 

I have not heard of any being sold yet, that said I was offered 1.4 for my coupe, I have no intentions of selling it ever, I guess that will be the job of my heirs . My sticker/build was 800K on the dot.

 

https://www.thesupercarblog.com/ferrari-812-competizione-aperta-build-slot-selling-for-500000-over-sticker/

 

A reputable car dealer in the UK told me the coupe were exchanging hands near £1.5mm

 

Blimey , if the reputable car dealer is telling the truth ( and not hyping up the price) then I’d be v surprised - A v well specced car will be approaching sticker of £575-600k…. I don’t see any way that anyone would pay approaching a £900k premium - I guess the dealer is playing games . Also I’d be surprised ( but it is possible ) that any UK cars have been sold from a customer to another dealer /customer . My guess is about 65-80 cars will come to the UK and so demand will be high to buy a flipped car , but not pristine F40 money -IMHO

 

I heard that from a large car dealer not an official Ferrari dealer. He mentioned the coupe were selling for about £800k or so premium while the aperta were selling for more, both due to the current hype. If that’s true i find it surprising that it could sell for a lot more than a tdf which in my eyes if better accomplished and rarer while being very similar performance wise

 

I take your point …… also if correct it would mean that in the Uk you could buy both a tdf and a 599 GTO dot the same price as a flipped 812Comp - makes no sense …. But hey ho , as my late dad always said “ common sense is not so common”….

 

Agreed. And if that is the case I predict tdf prices will quickly dramatically shoot up in value. See where tdf sell in Europe and the US. Between 1.2 and 1.5mm euros

 

think you’re right as already happening …

 

I’d say the dealer is not playing games. I was offered $1m USD just for my Aperta build spot 3 months ago


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This is in line with what the dealer told me ie the aperta trade at near a million £ above list. So we’re talking close to 2 million usd for the aperta. This is insane considering the 812C aren’t anywhere as rare as the tdf

 

My understanding is officially 799 tdf versus 999 + 599 Competizione Coupe + Aperta making the tdf a lot rarer. Two of the largest official ferrari dealers i know in the UK told me last year that the total allocations if 812C/812CA they received were more than double the allocations they had on the tdf.

 

The Aperta is rarer than a TDF …


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True but imo we can’t at the same time disregard the fact it shares the same platform and engine of the coupe and just look at the production numbers of each. There are about 1600 competiziones whether it’d be coupe or aperta vs 799 tdf

 

800 cars vs 1600 cars, still super limited, there are 7.7 billion people on the planet, and Ferrari will make 14,000 (this is a guess) cars, there is no difference between 800 cars vs 1600 cars, and remember that the TDF was not sold as a spyder so in reality its 799 cars vs 999 as it would be a coupe to coupe comparison.

IMHO the competizione coupe will be resold for more than the TDF in the future, the C also carries a higher MSRP, which will factor in a tiny bit.

 

In my personal and humble opinion if I had to make a guess on future value I’d bet on the tdf. It is very similar to the 812C performance-wise , was a big jump forward compared to the 599, first car to pioneer rear wheel steer and has much more classic and timeless lines than the Comp which in my eyes seems a bit overdone. IMO also more beautiful and rarer so enough ingredients for the tdf to be more sought after in the future. Also the last of the Montezemolo era. Well preserved F50 and Enzo sell for more than LaFerrari Coupe today I can see a similar fate in the future for the tdf Vs the 812C coupe. My personal opinion once again