Official Ferrari 275 GTB picture thread

Short Nose Alloy 275 GTBs do not have an extended rain gutter.

 

Plus, not ALL alloy bodied 275 GTBs do have an extended rain gutter anyway.

Marcel Massini

 

Marcel were they produced randomly throughout production or within a certain chassis number range? Many thanks.

 

Very randomly.

Marcel Massini

 

Yes, only the Long Nose alloy bodied 275 GTBs have the long rain gutter with there being at least one steel bodied Long Nose 275 GTB with the longer rain gutter, but it has no roof seams of the alloy cars.

 

Better view.

Marcel Massini

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In front of Hotel Des Bergues, Geneva.

 

On the website of the Automotoclub Storico Italiano - ASI (historic Italian Automotoclub) at the link below you can download for free (or simply browse) the May 2023 issue of the magazine La Manovella (in english it can be translated with "starting handle"), the official magazine of the ASI.
https://www.asifed.it/rivista-la-manovella/
On page 28 you can find an article about the Ferrari 275 GTB chassis number 08359, formerly owned by Clint Eastwood and currently owned by an Italian businessman from Verona.
The article, which is in italian, mentions the original color of the car: grigio notte (the code is indicated as 106-E-28, therefore it would be Glidden Salchi) and the black leather interior VM 8500.
It is said that the car was originally equipped with a speedometer in miles per hour, Borrani spoke wheels and headrests.
Numerous other anecdotes about the history of this car are also indicated, initially purchased by the important Italian film producer Dino De Laurentiis and then immediately donated/sold (I didn't understand it) to Clint Eastwood.
There is also a reference to the modifications that the actor allegedly commissioned from George Barris of Barris Kustom in Los Angeles who at the time seems to have been a point of reference for actors and celebrities who wanted to modify their cars. So much so that he even wrote a book about it, entitled "Stars and their cars".
The article then goes on to talk about the repainting of the car in the current dark green, the CB system with transceiver wanted by Eastwood (still present in the car) and other things.
As I said the article is in italian but if you download the pdf, select the text, copy and then paste it on the google translator, you probably can read it in english.
I'm not able to rate how unpublished the information about the early history of the car is, however I think it is an interesting read and there are some nice photos.
Speaking of photos, at the link below I posted some photos, taken by me, of this car that was exhibited at the Milan Autoclassica Fair last november.https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/148926127/
Greetings to everyone!

 

Hi all,
just bought some nice Ferrari 275 GTB pics at ebay..
I like this one in front of a post office.
License plate could be 879 UWK or UWX..
Which car could this be?

Thanks and best wishes,
BjörnS
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Will be auctioned at Pebble Beach

https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1966-ferrari-275-gtb/?filtersInput%5BauctionType%5D%5B0%5D=Live%20Auction&filtersInput%5BauctionYear%5D%5B0%5D=2023&filtersInput%5BliveAuctionVenue%5D%5B0%5D=Pebble%20Beach&sortBy=ENDING_SOONEST&pageNumber=1

 

when did the 275’s get the external trunk hinges? thought that was 4 cam’s only.

 

The larger rear window and the external hinges were part of the long-nose design evolution of the two-cam 275GTB. I believe a few of the very early long-nose cars were mixed specification: still with the smaller rear window; some of the early long-nose cars still had the star-burst Campagnolo wheels, before the full transition to square-hole Campagnolo wheels became the standard.

 

So Orginal pictures of the 275 GTB please.

I am wanting to see what tyres they fitted at the factory gate.

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic-car-tyres/ferrari/275-gtb.html

I think the very first cars might have fitted a 195HR14 Dunlop, but it might have been 205R14 Dunlop again i would like to see pictures to find out what tread. I think they also fitted 210VR14 Pirelli CN72, but i have confusingly seen some cars in the early 1960s fitting these large tyres with the earlier CA67 tread or something like it.

I think the 205VR14 Michelin XWX that we currently have, i think that tread pattern came out with the description X and then later was called XVR

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic/michelin-xvr.html

Anyway i'd love some period pictures showing the tyres to clarify the tread design and make sure i have the detail exactly right.

This is the CN72 that i am wondering if we should ask Pirelli to make a 210R14 CN72?

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/pirelli-collezione/cinturato-cn72.html

It came out in 1964 and is a pretty important tyre.

 

Longstone,

Refer to the 275GT tire thread from 10 years back for 275 tire discussion:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrari-275-gt-tyres.419246/

The CN72 was once-upon-a-time made in 205HR14. Here are photos of a real one mounted to a 275 magnesium square-hole 7Lx14 Campagnolo wheel. However this was certainly a replacement example in period because the backside of the tire (as installed) has a thin whitewall. I do not know what was the exact type of Pirelli the 210HR14 as noted in the 275 factory brochures; do not know if the CN72 was ever originally made in size 210HR14.
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Here a few period salon pictures illustrating the Dunlop SP Sport tire on 275GTB. (I have one period picture of a 275GTB with a Pirelli of clear CA67 tread pattern in a very wide size, but can't format it to upload. The only such 275 application of this tire i have ever seen.)
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P.S. To be clear, I am NOT declaring that the CN72 was originally supplied on 275's; I simply found this wheel with a replacement 205HR14 CN72 mounted - whenever, who knows.

 

IS THIS CAR KUSTOM? SURELY THE YEAR IT IS IDENTIFED AS IS A MISTAKE...OK, guyz, I have painted portraits of over 50 Ferraris (list available from malibucarart at google) so I thought I knew my Sixties cars. but when I spotted three pictures of a car (mis-)identified as a 1963 275GTB, red lights flashed. I thought in '63 Ferrari was still in the GTO Series I model and the tunnel back series 2 hadn't appeared yet. Plus it looks like a 4-cam 275GTB nose not a two cam short nose.. Plus the hood scoop looks like a later design. Maybe someone can read the door decal-- from a Motul-sponsored event. Maybe there's an entry list that will clear up the mystery? I don't want to waste time painting a picture of someone's Kustom car....​

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See post #4 by Marcel Massini here.

 

OK, read the posts by Der Schweizer but then I ran across a website entiled Ferrari 275 GTB SEFAC (ferrari-275gtb.com) which claims Mr. Cavaliier developed the design with Enzo's blessing. and I quote "This prototype of the 275 GT/B #05161 GT on the chassis and powertrain of the 250 GT and the aluminum body will be studied in the wind tunnel and will become the first prototype 275 GT/B delivered 03/20/1963. A real rear resemblance with the 250 Lusso and the 250 LM #05149 (only 5 cars apart), the 250 GTO 1964 will come out a year later."
I still say development wise it is unlikely it would have a 275GTB/4 style "long nose" if the short nose hadn't been introduced yet.
Why am i being so picky? Because there is or should be, a huge price difference between a factory prototype and a Kustom car. If the car was cut into a NART style roadster after leaving Italy then this more recently appearing car must be a rebody, based on which 1963 factory pictures?

 

The answer might be in Cavallino magazine 73 which has an article on a Pininfarina speciale 275. Does anybody who has it see an original '63 tunnelback roof 275 style 250GT pictured there? I know, I know I should spend the $16 the issue costs on ebay....


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Issue Contents:

• 348 Serie Speciale
• 456 GT 2+2
• 275 GTB Pininfarina Speciale
• Ferrari Guide To Modena / Maranello

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The mystery deepens, in a website page The 275 GTB Man (egarage.com) the author says:
"Among these projects, they decided to create the first prototype of Ferrari 275 GTB : a car on the 250 GT Lusso basis (chassis and engine, and prototype body of the 1964 250 GTO). The 275 GTB S.E.F.A.C #05161 had been born. It was delivered on March 23rd 1963 while the 275 GTB production series was to begin at the end of 1964. This Ferrari 275 GTB S.E.F.A.C #05161 is thus the Prototype of the production series 275 GTB produced later. Its body is aluminum and it adopts a Long Nose body.


Unfortunately the S.E.F.A.C will be damaged in 1963 on the Fiorano test track and will be given up to Michel Paul Cavallier who kept it until his death at the end of 1964. After his death it was sold to colonel Dick Mitchell and left for the United States in 1965, where it was converted into Spider, to return finally back to France in the 1990 when it was restored in its original configuration."

But still no picture taken with this tunnelback roof in 1963 ,'64 or '65 is offered. Maybe a French 275 concours judge knows the true answer.

 

Wally there are many websites and they say what they say.
And then there is Marcel Massini and here is what he has to say in the link provided by Steve Robertson-

No mystery there.

The 275 GTB in Cavallino 73 is a different car, 06437.

 

In the U.S. there is a law against using the SN of one car on another car, so if this car came up for auction here, that could break that law.
l'll believe it had that roof if I see a factory foto from the mid-'60s proving that it ever existed.

The biggest fraud I ran across so far in covering old cars for the media was the GT40 427 roadster that won Sebring. I was at a concours in Sn Diego where a car that looked like it was displayed. i told the owner that one of Shelby's mechanics told me he was there when a hole was dug near Marin del Rey and the car rolled in, deemed unfit to drive. And I never heard of it being disinterred. I wrote the concours judge but they said "we can't investigate every car that enters." I think it's a dis-service to concours attendees if they pay good money to go to a show and are shown fakes.

 

+1 absolutely

 

10011 last week in Paris.

Marcel Massini

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