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Nurburgring Track day prep and options

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  1. Hypersonic

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    Hello all!

    I have been planning how to do this trip for years. I am attempting to drive the Nurburgring Gesamtstrecke (Combined circuit). If not I'll settle for two sessions nordschleife, and GP Strecke.

    I am planning my driving regiment for the year. Tons of simulator time supplemented by instruction at my local Porsche club and maybe some laps in Las Vegas. I currently have 32 laps in a Ferrari challenge 488 Evo of real driving experience. I have a decent home simulator with many hours logged including the nurburgring.

    My questions are this.

    I'm considering possibly getting a class C license there. Has anyone attempted that? would it be worth it, and if I approached the SCCA or a similar organization would it matter?

    What do you do to prepare for a somewhat dangerous track day? what do you do to prep for the Nurburgring?

    I suspect this will be at least a $2-3000 Experience depending on the garage and sessions I choose. Do you recommend any garages or cars at that garage?

    I feel comfortable enough to drive a performance machine safely without pushing to super dangerous levels. I'm thinking driving something sensible then attempting laps in a GT4 and maybe GT3 ready car. Does this thinking make sense?

    If this were a different track like only the GP circuit I think it would be a bit more straight forward, but considering the hazards of a track surrounded by Forest with long distances, I want to approach it respecting the challenge ahead. Any advice is welcome. Stories would be great too!

    P.S.
    I'm trying to combine this with a trip to Oktoberfest, any advice on that would be nice too.
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  2. wthensler

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    Well my first advice would be to do Octoberfest after you do the ring.

    32 laps is not a ton of track time, but you’ve been out and know the feel. A simulator will surely help.

    The cost sounds very low, I spend much more than that tracking my older 458 Challenge at tracks on the east coast. Arrive and drives are as much as $25.5k for a two day event.

    Preparation wise, I always bring a fully track-ready car. A mechanic always goes over it, makes sure everything is good to go. I also try to get a good nights sleep, not always possible, but I don’t go out on the town the night before.

    I’d say enjoy the experience, no need to push 10/10, drive
     
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    Completely agree about Oktoberfest, there will definitely be a buffer. On the Vegas Circuit we don't party the night before a drive. Hungover in a hot car anywhere is dangerous and sucks!!
     
  4. spirot

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    Its been a long, long time since I was on the Nordschleife. I'm pretty comfortable behind the wheel, with lots of single seater time.. and closed race car seat time. I don't think much can really prepare you. The track is OLD and Narrow, way more narrow than it seems on I racing... or Asseto Corsa. when I was there it was in late October and raining - slight sleet... so not ideal. even then, there were crazy people out on the track. I got passed by this massive Mercedes sedan going down into the Fox hole... at top speed in the rain... crazy. I'd start out in a golf or something low power, and good traction. get used to it and then go to one of the schools there... If I can find my driver acquaintance I'll PM you .. he works there as one of the BMW instructors.
     
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    I’ve never been, I’d hate to go all the way there and find out they’ll let anyone on the track w/o demonstrating some proficiency, and it turns out to be a free for all.

    I’ve worked hard to progress my tracking skills to run in all the advanced groups at the various HPDE events to avoid exactly what you’re describing,
     
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  6. spirot

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    unless you are doing a dedicated track day - or rennen - you will be on a Tourist day... good luck!
     
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    Thank you for the chime ins, Safety is #1 on any track, especially this one. I do intend to choose an entry level car to start, and if its bad conditions I won't plan on progressing to anything faster. September is when Oktoberfest starts so i'll look at some weather guides and see how that affects things. (thanks for letting me know)

    I am currently looking for track days that work for me. while a tourist Fahren might do the trick I really want to test my instincts. If push comes to shove i'll either go to the GP circuit OR maybe even head out to SPA or any of the other circuits nearby. (Zanvoort, Zolder etc etc etc)

    The Nurburgring is a country road just like the Autobahn. The only difference is that it's a toll road, and crashing is expensive. (6K per piece of wall broken) price is a deterrent for some but not for others. This is a risk everyone takes on the road. As for special track days and events, licenses may be needed. I believe most rentals require a coach to go with you for at least your first lap if nothing else as a guide. I'm still inquiring about programs and ways to go about this. If I get the most laps by getting a license then why not do that? its 2-3 birds with one stone. One program was 30 laps over two days which is plenty.
     
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    #8 wrxmike, Nov 30, 2023
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    This info is from 2018.
    We did a track day with Getspeed (https://www.getspeed.de/en/homepage/) and hired a Renault Trophy 225 ? from RSR Nurburgring https://rsrnurburg.com/ took a 10 lap package including 2 laps with an instructor. I recall the track day entry was around 1100 EU and the car / instuctor about 1400 EU. Prices have changed since then.
    If you break (crash) the car the insurance excess is large, (and they swipe your Amex before you set foot in the car) plus you'll pay for any damage to the track and for the time the track is closed while they recover your car. On a track day, everyone is responsible for their own costs, so even if someone else crashes in to you, you pay.
    A track day is probably better than a normal tourist drive day as you are on the circuit with people that have a clue and there are less cars on the road ( I recall there were about 40 cars in attendance but not all on the road at the the same time ). If you are slowish, you stay out of the way and the faster cars are pretty good at avoiding you. On the day there there were a couple of cars destroyed, apparently that's normal.
    Good fun to do, ticked a bucket list item.
    Oh, and the instructor from RSR was excellent.
     
  9. spirot

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    30 laps at the Ring will be plenty! I cant imagine doing more than 5-10 in a day. back when they ran F1 a full race was 15 - 17 laps... at about 6 - 7 min per lap back then.. it was about an hour and half of racing.
     
  10. Dominik B.

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    No simulator can prepare you what is coming on this track. My mate in chassis engineering sends his new staff for 100 laps on the Ring as they start their job.
    You find that tire developers accumulate 10-20.000 laps.

    At times, you may spin, and you have to wait for the next car to see which direction you need to go. You will be literally lost for a moment. I met people (there) who realized that after two corners it's better to ease off, let the arm dangle out the window and wave everybody else past you. This is on the "tourist" days, where anybody can enter for a fee. No license required. https://nuerburgring.de/driving/touristdrives?locale=en

    Find someone in the parking lot who offers a passenger seat for a fee and decide after what you like to do. I had a VERY experienced driver take me around in my 90s RS Porsche. I thought I knew my car very well from 100s of laps in Hockenheim. It was wet, slippery, foggy. No heater fan. I decided not to drive this track myself, ever.

    I like that you consider the options in Belgium and Netherlands.

    Btw, on your way to the Oktober-Fest you come past Hockenheim. They offer tourist sessions. Used to be Thursdays from 17:00 to 20:00 for a small fee.

    Last warning: Don't underestimate your jet-lag after the flight.
     
  11. Hypersonic

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    Current plan is to go to the Porsche experience for track time instruction. there is a relatively high chance I will be driving one. Seat time on various surfaces will help a ton. Porsche is one of the few companies that can provide different conditions in one training area.
     
  12. 360trev

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    When I went to the 'ring the first few laps I got taken around the circuit in an old Mazda Miata (In Europe also known as MX-5) with an instructor who'd driven thousands of laps and he knew every corner. It was the best introduction to the course I can think of.
    1) Your not driving too fast so you can take it all in, stuff you just don't notice on simulators like inclines/declines, negative and positive camber changes, etc.
    2) Your sliding around learning all the braking points (quite a lot!) which needs a little re-calibration once you get into faster cars.
    3) You get a feel for what to expect. Trying to remember all the corners, well good luck, that's incredibly tough.

    The next car I drove before taking out the Ferrari (it was a long time ago when the values where not very high) was a M3 BMW CSL. This sounded absolutely fantastic on the track and it had fresh Cup 2's. The car gripped well, handled way better than I remember any other BMW of that era driving and give you a lot of feedback of your mistakes. Your now driving a LOT faster than the Miata so its starting to get interesting!

    My biggest advice is to drive with a club or private session and try to avoid at all costs a general busy public day. They are or at least where, "totally crazy", with all kinds of dangers just waiting to bite you like a double decker bus around a corner or a transit van, or even a caravan! Everything you just don't want when you committed to a fast corner. Good luck and enjoy!
     
  13. greyboxer

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    Like Mike I did a fairly low powered small BMW from RSR or Jaco on a track day and prepared with watching relatively low speed video such as this and research such as this http://nurburgring.org.uk/
     

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