430 Novitec supercharger kit, what is it worth?

Probably super expensive and would need to be serviced before installed. Then your F430 would be instantly worth less when you put it on. Win-win

 

Good attachment to drop its value, would u buy a car that had one fitted.

 

Probably blew the bottom end out of the engine, it will up your firing pressure a lot and load up the bottom end bearings.

 

The good news is that hardly anyone would want it so it could go for peanuts

The bad news if he bought it new he probably doesnt want your peanuts

 

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/ferrari/listing/3455010643?bof=SiCWpyF7

Here is a 430 with the whole kit for sale. Asking about 70k less than a standard one!
Been for sale for quite some time too.

 

Find out what he wants for it and then decide what you would pay for it. I know it sounds stupid simple but really it is all about what it is worth to someone. You said he's in Germany, so the worst he can do is simply ignore you. Frankly, I would have to score a very, very, good deal on it considering the fact that I will be dealing very long distance with someone if there is a problem --- and of course, as previously mentioned, he can always simply ignore you.

I know guys who have held on to stuff like that for years because they just keep telling themselves; "it's just got to be worth $_______". But ultimately, it's not worth any more than someone will give them for it.

I've had to wait out the denial phase on some stuff I bought for my cars from sellers. But I am not afraid to offer exactly what I think I would be willing to pay. And that's it. With that said, I've bought some stuff that I wanted for a whole lot less than the seller thought he would take for it initially. Personally, I'd have to get it pretty darn cheap.

 

With luck he is just a scammer and you will only be out the "cost" of the kit.

 

Hi Freddan, In an advertising in Germany a Novitec set is offered for the 360. Asking price € 17.000 New € 29.600 ex tax. For a 430 a used set may be well over € 20K.

 

Aren't the bottom ends of Ferrari's basically bullet proof more or less?

 

You put a blower on the engine and you up the cylinder pressure a lot, i wonder how much they would take.
On the big marine engines i used to work on, the diesel cylinder pressures are so high they stopped using white metal bearing shells- now use an aluminum alloy a few thou thick as the surface coating on a steel and copper backing. The white metal will not take the loading and will squeeze like pastry. The new alloy finish is great but the shells have to be changed on engine hours and the oil has to be spotless clean as any grit will scratch the journal.

 

Yeah just saying Ferrari uses titanium rods. The engines are basically bulletproof. Not saying it doesn't add stress...but if you've ever built an engine for boost, most of the components you're going to use, modern Ferrari's already come with from the factory.

They don't need much boost to make lots of power either since generally compression ratios are already high (and probably shouldn't add too much boost either).

There a guy who twin turbo'd a 355 recently and with a stock motor was putting down over 600 to the wheels.

 

They generally drop the compression ratio for boosted engines, i worked on a marine diesel with a turbo output pressure of 3.7 bar @ 22500 rpm on the blower turbine. It was giving 190 bar firing pressure, bloody loud

 

Sounds risky without at least lowering the compression ratio. These kind of mods usually have to be engine coordinated. Also ECU coordinated, I would think.
And that all starts to get pretty costly.

 

Highly refined 11+ compression ratio, perfected for the NA setup. Like above you would want to take the engine apart and drop down to say 8.5 CR when planning boost. But why add the cost and complexity? Sell the F430 and buy higher HP turbo Ferrari.

 

I have had a bunch of NA 911s. IMO there are very few engines more bulletproof. I've run on the track with a failing engine ( upon tear-down there were cracked rings, and a cracked piston) and the engine kept going. Blowing smoke, but never came apart.

Probably important to realize that even in the years where the NA 911 engines were running at high 9's in compression ratios (before variable timing), the Turbos at the time were dialed back to the mid eights, 8.5 IIRC. Added stress on the bottom end is always a concern with forced induction.

 

I am absolutely not a big fan of these kits for both the 360 or F430. Just don't do it at any price!

In my humble opinion the support of their stuff has been bad in the past and it isn't engineered for longevity plus they won't even support their original converted cars for basic replacement parts things like supercharger belts or even the bi annual oil service. I bet most conversions haven't even had a thing done since they got converted so no wonder they go pop.

The engineering was done also using "piggy back" injectors which is never a good idea, in fact I hate the idea and wouldn't do it that way. Normally if the main engine ecu detects any actuator or sensor failures (afm's, cam position sensor failure, etc) it can react by pulling fuel and timing to protect the engine, with a hacked piggy back solution overlay on to it cannot help you, so you can imagine the result... boom...

As for pressure, the original engine is more than capable at the speeds they run the Rotrex compressors at. If you wanted to go further you'd need some differences in gaskets, CR, etc. and maybe upgraded internals like pistons, bearings and shot peened con-rods but its pretty strong even without upgrades. The problem is when things fail all safety systems wont work, you will break something in a catastrophic way! Bad design I'm afraid...

 

I facilitated the sale of a couple of these kits way back in the day. A large part of the value of the kit was the installation by their “techs” who were flown in from Germany

buying the kit used I think you’re losing one of the main components of what inflated the value of the kit in the first place

parts wise the kit is maybe $10k-$15k in parts. I would rather source my own stuff and build a custom if I was going this route than run 10-15 year old used parts…

I would not supercharge a F430 or 360 personally but if I was determined to go that route I would piece together my own kit since you’re not getting the labor from Novitec anyways.

 

You want a faster Ferrari?

Buy a newer Ferrari.

I never understood why people spend good money to make their cars worth less.

 

For the most part I agree. But in some folks defense, most shopping for a "used" Ferrari cannot afford a new model Ferrari. So as a result we shop for the best equipped, nicest color combinations, and options we can find in a "used" Ferrari. So with that said, sometimes we justify the investment in upgrades to a car we know we already would have a hard time replacing. But of course, in this case, I wouldn't go with the supercharger set up. No matter how cheap I could get it.

Heck, my 360 for the street is already a better, faster car than I am driver.