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Not all headers are created equal!!!

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  1. modificator

    modificator Formula Junior
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    I've spent quite a bit of time reading through lots of the headers related posts and surprise - no one seems to be mentioning that the headers should be "equal length".

    People are happily discussing cheap $1200 headers on eBay as if that's something to consider, but a quick check shows those are NOT equal length. Our cars are known for a great sound and if the exhaust path length (measured in the center of each pipe) is not exactly the same from each of the cylinders to the place where the 4 headers pipes meet, you just can't get a proper sound not to mention top horsepower. It's like a musical instrument which is poorly designed - it just does not make the right music.

    So in my opinion that is the first thing to check when looking for a header - is it "equal length"?
     
  2. Sj_engr

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    Or just buy challenge headers or bang the pre-cat out of the stock ones.
     
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  3. mwstewart

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    I paid $999 for Top Speed manifolds on my first F430 and they performed fantastically well. I bought Capristo for my current F430 and really miss the sound and power delivery of the 4-1 Top Speed.

    My next move will be to Supersprint.

    Equal length is one consideration, and the quality of the merge collector is another. OEM 430 of any type is really bad in this regard and the primaries are too small.
     
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  4. anotherred360

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    Do you know if the Challenge headers are different from the 99 headers? The Challenge headers are about $1k more but look similar in pics.
     
  5. clean512

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  6. anotherred360

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    SS is my first choice in aftermarket. Looking to give the Challenge headers a try with their 4-2-1 design.
     
  7. modificator

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    @clean512 can this metal wrap you have pictured on Supersprints be applied to any headers and if so who can do it? BTW, Supersprints look very nice (albeit a bit pricey)
     
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  8. modificator

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    Good points, there are more things to header design and sound than equal length (Top Speeds are NOT equal length btw). Probably the biggest difference is that not everyone likes the same kind of music and tastes vary. But all great sounding/best sounding cars (most if not all stock Ferrari, Pagani etc) have equal length headers.
     
  9. imahorse

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    Top speed for the 360s are trash. They fit horrible and don't sound that good. I have them on my car. Some of the flanges were 1/4" off of the others and pretty much every mounting hole had to be ground out. I had to deck the **** out of them. They included thick gaskets to mount them to the block to try and make up for how off the flanges are. If you use them, the locking part of the nuts aren't able to reach the studs.

    The owner was ****** too, but sure acted like a victim when I put him on blast for it.

    I heard 430 fitment is a lot better however.

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  10. kestrou

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    Im pretty sure they Fabspeed are equal length…

    Kevin
     
  11. clean512

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    Yes you can.. check out header shield. That is who did this.
     
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  12. imahorse

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    I'm not sure how you haven't been banned for all of the pornography that you post.

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  13. clean512

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    Comment of the year
     
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  14. 360trev

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    Equal length is very important yes but also don't forget on headers which have Air Injection rails on the header it destroys the entire concept of using equal length headers in the first place. Think about for a moment what it actually does!
     
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  15. collegeboy

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    This guy right here sold me on removing the air rail system on my car.
     
  16. Skippr1999

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    Would the OEM Challenge headers be suitable for CS, or would Tubi be a better choice ?
     
  17. Scottslaw

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    @360trev could you elaborate on the deleterious impact of the air rails? (pun intended...see what I did there?) I have Capistro headers on my scud and wondering if I too should delete them lol! In the next couple months I'll be adding sport cats (and hopefully your tune to avoid low-rpm torque loss), so maybe I should do the rail delete at the same time?
     
  18. 650kid

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    I have tubi on my CS. Couldn't be happier.
     
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  19. clean512

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    Would love too see the tubi with out there shield on them
     
  20. gsworld2014

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    I agree with you. My 2005 with stock exhaust and top speed headers was the best sounding 430 around. I put an exhaust switch on it as well and everyone loved the sound. My cars sound sold about 5 sets of top speed headers in our group. Lol. Best sales man they had was my 2005

     
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  21. oc23

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    Any videos of the sound by any chance?
     
  22. gsworld2014

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    I can Look to see what i can find. Give me a few
     
  23. gsworld2014

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    Here is one. Audio isn’t great though …. Doesn’t catch the pitch …
     

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  24. gsworld2014

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    As you can see also no CEL
     
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