No Toto, that is so not right! (Toto-FIA connection scandal heats up)

Agree but Like you i dont like TW but in some way you have to admire his tenacity. Getting shafted by the FIA is nothing new, I personally feel RB had a distinct advantage given to them until 2026 with this current rule set. Quite why Ferrari dont flex their muscles over the stupid testing and comical Pirelli tyres is beyong me, F! without them is a holed ship below the waterline.

SF have been shafted a few times as well and more so when you think they (FIA) have recruited ex Ferrari engineers with blunt axes. to wield around

F! has always been greedy, dodgy, corrupt and who has the biggest whatsit. All of the other TP's would do exactly the same given a millisecond chance imho.

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Yet no other reputable outlets F1 specific or otherwise have picked this up. 2013 was 10 years ago and no one cares. is literally old news. MBS will do what? Nothing. Nothing will happen. Season is over and RedBull dominated. So now we think Toto is the issue with F1 lol. There is no story but a gimmicky headline about an ethical lapse if its even that. This wont be legally addressed, there will be no fine, there will be no investigation at all.

As far as the overspend, RedBull did and was punished. Thats also a dead issue. Dead story, ****e headline for clicks. This was on Planet F1 last night.

So Pillow Talk and the world is ending lol!????????????? This is not an 'insider trading' case. F1 rumor crap offseason begins lol.

https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1177565 - some discussion about the 'outlet' on this story lol. Again this appears to be rather tabloid.

 

Yeah Toto is not the exception - they all intensely look for an angle at every opportunity. F1 is not a sterile operation lol!!

 

I'd say Ferrari have more connections with the FIA, for all the wrong reasons.....

 

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From my perspective the FIA have kept a extremely close eye on SF team, far more than any other team.

 

I think everybody in the paddock knows these shady deals. They protest a bit to keep the face... but they let it go. I suppose FIA owes them a favour for turning a blind eye and just wait for their time to cash it in. Cheating, the BOP of F1.

 

Toto and the Wolff family has their fingers in all the cookie jars in F1. I believe he has significant shares in Aston Martin which is already conflict of interest. His behind the scenes relationship with the FIA that has given Mercedes a remarkable amount of benefits and advantages. 2022, 9 teams say change your car, and instead he gets the FIA to change the rules. His relationship with Liberty Media. He was pretty darn angry of any criticism about Vegas, and was the prime supporter of all the flash that 90% of fans didn't like.

I will still says he and Horner are the two best TP's in F1 since they do whatever they can to win. But man, I can't help think Toto is the king of corruption in modern F1.

 

Toto sold his Williams shares soon after he became Mercedes-AMG principal.

 

He still has Aston Martin shares doesn't he? I swear I remember thinking about this in 2020 when Racing Point showed up with the pink Mercedes.

 

Yes, Toto invested in Aston Martin Lagonda. I can't see a conflict of interest here.

 

If the TP of Mercedes has an invested interest in the success of Aston Martin - even directly Aston Martin F1 team, would that not be a conflict of interest? They are after all, competitors. Imagine Ferrari investing in Mercedes.

 

Not in my eyes. It's only a private investment giving Toto no power in AML.
If there was a conflict of interest, the Mercedes board would step in to stop it, I guess.
The 2 companies cooperate, remember, and Mercedes hold some stock in AML.
I see more of a conflict of interest in Ferrari staff working for the FIA, and vice versa.
In this case there is only a blured distinction between rule-maker and rule-taker.

 

Legalities and loopholes I guess. I don't think any Ferrari staff works for the FIA, only former Ferrari employees. None of whom seemed to have helped Ferrari performance wise... maybe financially though.

 

I see. Toto having shares in AML is suspect, but FIA staff having worked for Ferrari isn't.
It all depend where your prejudices are, I guess.

 

Definition of a false equivalency. That's like saying a married couple is the same as a divorced one.

 

I know nothing about this!

During the Schumacher era the rules constantly changed to thwart his success.

During the Hamilton era the rules remained remarkably static to cement his success.

It's not like we didn't notice! what was behind all that? Was it corruption? Was it because he was black?

I became a huge Hamilton fan despite hating his success at beating Ferrari, because no driver has ever been able recover from a bad situation during a race as well as Louis and he always presents a positive attitude to the media!

I just can't help but wonder why the rules became so static to lock in a winning formula when previously they were so dynamic to destroy a winning formula...

 

I didn't say it wasn't suspect. But EX Ferrari employees are not Ferrari staff members like you say. However the team boss of Mercedes will make money with the success of a rival team.

 

Yea, I look at Toto a bit differently than just a normal TP, he is also a team owner with his shares. Susie, his wife, 100% gives atleast some helpful tidbits about the FIA happenings.

Is he still dreaming of that FIA presidency (I wonder if he is still bitter to Ferrari basically saying, hell freezes over before you get that job)

 

False flag !!

 

Last I´ve heard is that Mercedes told him to sell but that he couldn´t find a buyer for all his stock, so he still had a small part on Williams. Not sure if that has changed since Dorilton Capital entered.

Well, the Aston Martin F1 team shares owners with the road car division and that F1 team reason for existence is to promote road car sales. I definitely see a conflict of interest. The good thing for Toto is that, as Mercedes-Benz also owns part of Aston Martin Lagonda, both share the same conflict of interest so I suppose Mercedes is turning a blind eye.

 

Exactly ! It's not unknown for a business to buy shares in a rival company.
In fact, it's quite common in the motorcar industry.