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NEW MID ENGINED V6 (LITTLE BROTHER)

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  1. Shadowfax

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    Yes. Little bugger.
     
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  3. 9nb

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    Name ideas;
    F6 GTB
    F6 Imola?
    F6 Dino?
    Luca? For LdM obviously
    630 GTB? 6cyld 3.0l

    I’m thinking they might try to connect the name to the F1 team, since F1 uses V6 turbos connected to electrical support. Also, the SF90 Stradale was named after the F1 car..
     
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  4. isot

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    If any of you have a say, please ask Ferrari to go back to the good old names. Displacement and number of cylinders, horsepower per liter..."LaFerrari" incomprehensible to foreigners, borderline to Italians. SF90 Stradale, ugly. Long and difficult to pronounce. And I am Italian. The names for the GT like "Roma" or "Portofino" or "California" work
     
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  5. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Ok to link the F1 how about

    2 Bob?
     
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  6. 9nb

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    Imola could work, they already used Monza, or perhaps Monaco?
     
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  8. SoCal to az

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    If it sits up high like their other cars....call it Redneck
     
  9. MalibuGuy

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    What will the disc placement be?
    3x6 for 3.x liters and 6 cylinders
    So a 3.2 liter would be 326
     
  10. ingegnere

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    You may have already noticed that all or most engine makers have settled on 500 cc per cylinder for a turbo engine. It seems they’ve determined it’s the optimal size for power/efficiency trade-off. As such, my guess would be 3000 cc.
     
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  11. MalibuGuy

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    So 306 .

    Ferrari’s 12 cylinder is 6.5 liter. So maybe half of that engine. Or else if we look at the F8, with its 3.9 liters, 3/4s of that?

    What about bank angle?
    The bank angle on the V12 is 65 degrees ( I think that 63 degrees is the most ideal for crank-balance.
    The bank angle on the V8 turbo is 90 degrees
    Anyone know the bank angle on the F1, 6 cylinder turbo?
    Anyway my guess is that the LB with use a 90 degree bank angle due to the twin turbo plumbing.
     
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  13. buddyg

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    Or can’t win
     
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  14. ingegnere

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    F1 rules dictate a 90 deg bank angle (for some stupid reason) resulting in an uneven-firing, uninspired and crap sounding engine. Like V6s derived from V8s.

    For LB, according to @Albert-LP sources should be an even-firing 120 deg. bank angle, just like Gilles had in the 80’s. The wide bank angle may also anticipate a “hot-V” arrangement with exhaust in the V, just like aforementioned F1 engine. I’m hoping to see this solution, if only for the nostalgia and the relative “novelty” of this arrangement:

    NEW MID ENGINED V6 (LITTLE BROTHER)
     
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  16. MalibuGuy

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    How about a combo moniker 306 Imola (326 Imola)
     
  17. MANDALAY

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    I have a feeling they wont ever go back to numbers , ie cylinder volume , pistons etc because those numbers are history and lose their way.

    There are so many beautifully named Italian cities that they can use as has been done Roma , Portofino etc. Ild love to see a Taormina :)

    But F6 IMOLA does sound good but i prefer IMOLA 6 :) I wonder why ? BTW that is a real number plate i posted. State Victoria , Australia.
     
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  18. MalibuGuy

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    But when Ferrari increase the performance on subsequent models increasing from say 3.0 to 3.2, that’s when the numbers are handy. 306 Imola becomes 326 Imola

    Time will tell.
     
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  19. MalibuGuy

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    I like the tribute to the Italian cities. Portofino Roma Imola.
    One must be careful though the farther south one descends.
    Palermo or Corleone? ( The dealer made me an offer I couldnt refuse”)
     
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  20. 456-boy

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    Last time they used the numbers was not far ago, on the 812 Superfast and GTS.

    I would prefer if they go back with numbers + a name (like 360 Modena, 612 Scaglietti...). That « looks » better to me
     
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  22. isot

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    Please go back with numbers+name also because f1 names are ugly and moreover are no winner too.

    206 > 2.0 6c
    246 > 2.4 6c
    308 > 3.0 8c

    Simple, fast, nice! And about names they could use italian track names, for example.. Monza, Imola, Adria, Vallelunga, Mugello... or historical races like Targa Florio, Mille Miglia, Tourist Trophy... Please avoid female names like Artura

    If it will be 3.0 V6 turbo could be 306T or 306 Turbo > 306T Imola or more simple 306 Imola

    Please also forget hybrid references. It's obvious
     
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  23. ingegnere

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    I think they should use the Dino name regardless of whether or not people expect that name to be associated with a sub-Ferrari brand. It’s a name with a long association to Ferrari and V6s, is simple, short and easy to pronounce.

    As far as numbers go, I would bet against a 306 (or any 3x6) designation. Firstly, I believe Peugeot has (had?) the rights to “x0x” naming convention—they also already made a 306. Secondly, if the car is positioned as the “entry-level” mid-engine car Ferrari will never name a new car with a lower numerical designation that the previous car.

    Look at the dance around the designation of 488. The sequence of designation before that was:

    308 -> 328 -> 348 -> 355 -> 360 -> 430 -> 458

    So here comes a 4.0 T, which could have been a 408T, but instead was called 488 because it had to be > 458. For the subsequent F8, since it was still a 4.0 T as the 488, they went with a completely new designation.

    Because of the above, I expect some “letter/number + name” designation. If only a number, I would expect it to start with a 6, as in 6xx.

    So maybe 642: 6c + 4v + 2t? 648 for 8sp? Both are > 488, but < 812. Maybe with an F prefix, as in F642?

    F642 Dino?
     
  24. isot

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    Dino was a brand. Dino 206GT didn't even have a Prancing Horse anywhere. I don't think Ferrari have no intention of doing nostalgia operations. They look ahead. Always. In 2008 talked about California as the new Dino and it was called California. It is certainly true that today we have a return of a 6-cylinder. Different, child of downsizing




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  27. isot

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    Ok she is SF90 little sister but we hope that she doesn't look like us as much as in the rendering of Car Magazine.
    Coinciding with the presentation of the Spider, the v6 was spotted and the proportions actually look like those of a mini SF... we'll se, i hope soon
     
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