New MANUAL TRANSMISSION Ferraris-Doug Demuro

i agree with doug but he picked the wrong company. while i think ferrari should make icona stick shifts and add 500k to price, reality is ferrari can do anything they want and succeed.

the company he should have addressed the video to is mclaren. they need all the help they can get and manual transmissions would finally set them apart. lambo has vw to back them up so they dont have to bother either. mclaren is the one.

 

If the point of a MT Ferrari is to satiate the demand for people who want to drive a manual Ferrari (note the key term here, "drive") then it just defeats the purpose if the only way Ferrari makes a MT car is to badge it as a one-off special heritage limited production car.

Any such unicorn would be purchased not to drive, which is the reason why supposedly Doug wants marques to make MT cars again, but to bubble wrap, put in a temp controlled garage and stowed away like the next Picasso.

And all of that doesn't even account for the R&D costs for Ferrari to introduce a new MT (a new one b/c I doubt the old ones would be up to the torque ratings of the new FI V8 and NA V12 in their arsenal). At the very minimum, this cost-benefit analysis would have the bean counters put the kaibosh on this "let's make a MT limited, uber special, heritage one-off car"

 

I think he focused on Ferrari because it has a history of gated shifters up through the 1990s, and continued to offer them up to about 15 years ago. (Gated to slow down overzealous drivers…)

McLaren AFAIK has been the extreme performance car company, no sedans or SUVs, no self-tribute models. I can’t see McLaren going retro the way Ferrari or Porsche can. The tradition at McLaren is Formula 1. That seems to be it.

I don’t even think Porsche is investing much in three-pedal manuals anymore but it reaps huge profits from sales of the special edition cars to speculators. Sort of a cash cow, and the GT cars are the front line track weapons for buyers who put performance first.


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Agree but McLaren f1 strategy isn't working on track or street. Don't know what they can do about their race team but manual would be huge help on street. They need it

 

Graziano the people who made the 575 and 430 transmission already make one. Its made for Audi and can easily be adapted for 2 or 4 wheel drive. I have changed the ratios in them for guys building big horsepower kit cars. Good tough, off the shelf transmission.

Lack of suitable transmission is just not an issue.

 

I think you mixed-up the reason I'm out of ordering a new one, with the "drive buyers to the F1 at all costs" push.

 

Not one bit. No one drove you to anything. You didn't want to wait. I wanted a blue truck. Ford only had white. I didn't want to wait either.

Ferrari just wants to sell cars. The dealer just wants to sell cars. If 80% of the people want a specific product, guess what they will build and guess what they will stock.
Its not a conspiracy. And no, Elvis was not abducted by aliens.

 

As much as I would love for Ferrari to introduce a modern Dino with small footprint, minimum weight and a 6mt, I know that it is not the image ferrari wants to market.

They are an aspirational brand where image, performance numbers and exclusivity reign. They would not want a 6mt to add another second to 0-60, ever stoking even more comparisons to x number of cheaper cars that are faster.

IMO Porsche is successful with 6mt because it has more of an enthusiast based clientele than Ferrari

 

Porsche is a far bigger company and a much more automated operation. They make over 70,000 cars per year. Ferrari are just over 13,000 and thats stretching things at the seams. Porsche due to size is far more able to offer a wide variety of product offerings.

 

I still want to know where Ferrari is storing all those cars no one wants.

 

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Size hasn’t prevented Pagani or Gordon Murray from offering manual transmission

From my uneducated viewpoint Ferrari just doesn’t choose to do it. Just like they won’t offer pink paint, doesn’t fit their image.

 

What I don't get is why anyone would want a modern car with an antiquated transmission?

I daily drive an older 911 with a 6 speed manual. I love it. The transmission fits the car.

I also drive a couple modern Ferraris. At no point have I thought, you know what would make this better, a manual transmission! I've thought about driving older Ferraris with manuals but not a modern one. I wouldn't want all the new technology with the old technology in the middle of it. Sounds like a mess.

 

Are SUVs and EVs included in the 491?

 

There's a guy on here right now selling an F8 Tributo. He posted a video of him driving the car, he's driving it in automatic like it's some kind of GD Cadillac. He was also kind enough to point out the cruise control.
That is NOT what I'm looking for in a Ferrari, but most of the boys these days are.

 

I think the most sense would be for them to offer them as standard no cost option on their very cheapest car. Poverty spec MT. You want a drivers' car, buy the "cheap" one and drive the hell out of it. They'd sell more, because they already sell more of the cheapest car, and no one would accuse them of doing what porsche does and putting the MT in stupid dime a dozen limited edition series of the same car which will get rubbed with a diaper more than driven,

FWIW I don't think they have to make a manual transmission. I agree with Rifledriver's posts, they know exactly what they are doing, better than anyone here.

 

Exactly.


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You're somehow still missing it.
I was willing to wait the two years for the build of the manual that I spec'd, even after being leaned upon to order the F1.
I expected to, going in.

It was when, a year into that two years, my wait became an additional 3 years "but if I bought this different-in-every-way 'used' car with 53 miles for $100K over sticker, my build move back up the line....." that killed it.
I thought it was a dealer ethics issue, and FNA told me that they don't control what their dealers do, and in the same conversation contradicted that statement, that I couldn't order from a different dealer because they didn't allow their dealers to sell out of their own territory. It was a FNA ethics issue.

Not a problem for me any more.

 

There is a group of buyers that Ferrari has missed:

If Ferrari either put a souped up Toyota stick power train with a great exhaust system in their cars OR offered a 100K full PT warranty on their engines that included maintenance for X period of time, that would produce a more attractive Ferrari. You have the 'Can' and 'Don't' crowd with Ferrari that are the non-buyers of the marque: Those that CAN afford the initial cost but DON'T want to deal with the general repair bills. That's the group of buyers Ferrari is missing out on IMO.

 

All the advocates on this thread need to forget about Ferrari and become Lotus customers…..they have the most to gain in all this.

 

True….

 

For me, this is crazy talk…….I’ve NEVER been in an automatic for any length of time without thinking “this would be more fun with a manual transmission “

 

Hopefully, he also pointed out all the driver “aids”

 

I'm referring to DCT over MT not automatic. Huge difference if you driven them both extensively.

 

No, if you can put it in a single gear and go from 0-200…..it’s an automatic