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New evidence in Stepneygate

Discussion in 'Other Racing' started by tifosi12, Sep 6, 2007.

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  1. shahedc

    shahedc Formula 3

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    OJ? Are they going to write a book about how they didn't really cheat, but "if they cheated", how they would've done it? :D

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  2. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I just had (yet another) crazy thought:

    Let's assume McLaren is thrown out of F1 for 2007. That makes Alonso and Hamilton available on the transfer market.

    So what if Ferrari picks up Hamilton and puts him in one of its cars for this season? A guaranteed recipe for winning this year's title AND keeping the Brits (including Max Mosley) happy.
     
  3. SonomaRik

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    I wish..........I'd pay for cable to broadcast a lot more Int'l content than cr@p we get from the US.... American Idol gag
     
  4. ferraridude615

    ferraridude615 F1 Veteran

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    I don't see Ferrari accepting a "no punishment" verdict again.
     
  5. Formula 1

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    I don't think anyone will want them either, after all it would be foolish to think that Mercedes didn't see the documents as well....hmmmmmm ?
     
  6. SonomaRik

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    He already knows the Ferrari setup....should be a breeze after that :rolleyes: <-- thanks PAP
     
  7. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    A popular sentiment ..

    In my view the more good teams in it the better

    Not to say I agree with the more burdensome aspects of Mclarens underhand play.

    But Is all the blame Mclarens..?



     
  8. Formula 1

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  9. lucky_13_2002

    lucky_13_2002 F1 Rookie
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    On a lighter note..
    My wife has the idea of creating an alternative site called f-chat'sspouses.com for all the spouses of f-chat members because she is quite fed up with me sitting infront of the screen for hours. She thinks she is not alone on this one.
     
  10. GoFerrari28

    GoFerrari28 Formula 3

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    Maybe Honda should use them. Jenson might be happy about that.

    For some reason I get the feeling that if Kimi does win the WDC then whatever enthusiasm and dedication he has for the sport is going to fade and he is either going to hang up his lid or get dropped due to declining motivation. In that case I can really see two new drivers at Ferrari by 2009.

    As fo McLaren Mercedes not participating in 2008, I doubt the FIA will go that far as to eliminate one of its top engine manufacturers from the sport due to all the advertising, royalty and ticket sales money that will be lost. The German grands prix would be very hard hit and I don't think the FIA would want that to happen. Perhaps other countries might like to have a GP at another's expense. I think it will only go so far as exclusion from the 2007 WDC and WCC and some sort of major fine like forfeiture of the deposit all teams have to put down with the FIA so McLaren has to come up with the cash again in 2008.


    If there was tire data from Ferrari that was used to McLaren's benefit, the next big question that I have is how did Ferrari get such a head start on tire development if Bridgestone was supposed to be providing a spec tire for all teams, unless a) the tire construction was largely the same as last year's tire or b) Bridgestone rewarded Ferrari for their relationship with tire data that was not provided to other teams? It's just an issue that has been bugging me for a while.
     
  11. cantsleepnk

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    Ha Ha . My wife divorced me cause she couldn't stand me WASTING my Sundays watching races.
     
  12. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Fair comment. Quote from Nick Tombazis (Chief designer btw):

    "This year the tires were not known to us until very late in the process as Bridgestone had a new specification of tires to supply the whole field and did not want to give any team an advantage by letting them know the specification any earlier."

    I don't have the exact date of the quote, but the context of the complete article suggests late May (just after Spain). Unless he's lying, which I doubt, that rules out option (b). As for how close this years wooden tires are to last years I suspect they're different enough that SFM were in the same boat as everyone else.

    Cheers,
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  13. tifosi12

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    +1
     
  14. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    im so lost..
     
  15. lucky_13_2002

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    What I would like to really see, is Ferrari kicking McCheater team's arse fair and square this season an THEN McCheater AND its drivers stripped from their points, so they can not say after that that Ferrari got a gift, and still be punished.
    I would leave them in the championship next year so Ferrari would have the opportunity to clean the track with them AGAIN and add insult to injury. But this of course would be in my perfect world and my wife would be an 18yo virgin with 34DD. :0
     
  16. Tifoso1

    Tifoso1 F1 Rookie

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    Bridgestone has to start somewhere with they new tires, they can't just came out of no where with them. So, it is not unreasonable to think that they will draw from previous experiences in the creation of the new spec tires. Ferrari and other Bridgestone teams from 2006 may not have the complete data on the new spec tires, but they must all have some idea as they are probably based on the previous tires, loosely or not. In today's F1, the smallest detail can be the difference in winning, finishing or DNF in a race.
     
  17. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Far Out's post is all you need to know:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137037033&postcount=17

    Speculation based on this:
    - Next Thursday the FIA will hang McLaren.
    - McLaren will no longer participate in this season
    - Ferrari's drivers will eventually battle for the title 07 amongst themselves
    - McLaren will sit out the 08 season
    - Alonso and Hamilton become available on the transfer market
    - Prodrive and Richards get a 2nd chance and will become Mercedes new A team for 08
     
  18. lucky_13_2002

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    I think we all did see what happened when Alonshole did not share his "Ferrari knowledge" with Hami in Turkey.;)
     
  19. dsevo

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    ^ Wow, I haven't been following this, but if that post is true then I hope that McCheater gets F'd. I also think that Alonshole has some serious explaining to do whether he was immune or not.
     
  20. 62 250 GTO

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    I can't see that, talk about bad for the sport. So now the fight is between 4 cars instead of 6?

    What if Ferrari or Renaut have a bad year? The season could be over by the 5th race.
     
  21. lucky_13_2002

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    You mean like in 05?
     
  22. nopassn

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    Is it just me or does it seem kinda sh*tty that the FIA had to offer "free passes" to Alanso, et al, to get them to do the "right thing" and speak up?
     
  23. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes and no.

    If the FIA throws McLaren out of the 07 season, they can no longer fight for the title (unless Ferrari hires them). Punishment enough I'd say.
     
  24. nopassn

    nopassn Formula 3

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    But if they just strip McLaren of the WCC points, they could still race and win the WDC... which doesn't seem fair... if they knew/benfitted too, they should be punished too - perhaps tossing McLaren for the 07 season, and not allowing them to race would work though...
     
  25. Far Out

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    I guess it will end like that....
     

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