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"Mystery" Europa GT For Sale

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  1. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    According to the seller, it is not 0409.

    He will not provide any other details, unless given in person. Not email, phone etc. If you want to know more about the car, you're gonna have to hop on a plane and head for Italy.

    DM
     
  2. superleggera

    superleggera Karting

    Nov 9, 2003
    113
    Dry Heat, AZ
    How do you offer anything when you don't know what the chassis # is nor the condition it is in? (I've seen enough nightmare restorations that some sellers somehow believe should win FCA/Pebble concours) Plus you can not inspect for ones customer or hire someone to authenticate either. It sounds almost like some of the crazy methods of doing transactions for South American racecars...

    Here is what I got back:
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    "Dear Sir

    all that i can say by email it is the advertising on web:

    "Ferrari 250 Gt Europa, 1954, 2nd series, Pininfarina, 13500km from new, unrestored conditions, perfectly running and driving, completly original and matching numbers car, last owner since 43 years, original interior and paint.No pictures and details on chassis and other will be sent for email and phone but just contacts by persons. No brokers, no auctioner and other ways of deal but just final buyer.Car located in Europe. Price on request and open to best offers just for seriously interesting people"

    Price open to offers, let me known yours
    If you think to could be interesting, we accept just inspection to the car by person and just from final buyer and not from brokers or curious or other ways of deal

    Regards

    Antonio / Andales79 xxyy.it"

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  3. T308

    T308 Formula 3

    May 12, 2004
    1,008
    Southern Cal
    #28 T308, Nov 10, 2008
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2008
    0413 then? All the other S2 cars are accounted for or destroyed if it's not either 0409 or 0413, no?
     
  4. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary

    Mar 2, 2005
    22,744
    0413 GT:
    Original exterior color: Grigio Metallizzato MM LC 37.
    Original interior color: Pelle Connolly Arancio 3104.
    No mentioning of a red painted roof.

    Marcel Massini
     
  5. Fpayntr

    Fpayntr Karting
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 14, 2008
    144
    Which Europa GT was at Villa de Este this year?
     
  6. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 7, 2006
    76,951
    Wurundjeri man.
    Full Name:
    Arvin Grajau
    rofl.
     
  7. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary

    Mar 2, 2005
    22,744
    None. It was not a GT but an Europa only, 0349 EU of Johan Van Puyvelde, Belgium.
    Marcel Massini
     
  8. ferrarip4

    ferrarip4 Formula 3

    May 8, 2008
    1,208
    Sydney, Australia
    Full Name:
    Chanh Lê Huy
  9. T308

    T308 Formula 3

    May 12, 2004
    1,008
    Southern Cal
    No mention, but possible perhaps? Anyone know where this car is today?
     
  10. Aardy

    Aardy F1 Rookie
    Consultant

    Feb 21, 2004
    4,761
    France
    Full Name:
    Cyril TESTE
    If the seller is so secret, I would not surprised he's lying in saying that his car is not 0409GT...
     
  11. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary

    Mar 2, 2005
    22,744
    I have emailed the seller several times but he has not replied. Surprise, surprise.
    Marcel Massini
     
  12. ferrarip4

    ferrarip4 Formula 3

    May 8, 2008
    1,208
    Sydney, Australia
    Full Name:
    Chanh Lê Huy
    Smells fishy...
     
  13. kare

    kare F1 Rookie
    Consultant

    Nov 11, 2003
    3,627
    If he cannot see what good answering your inquiries would serve, why bother? Best wishes, Kare
     
  14. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    perhaps you are seen as a broker.......
     
  15. 246tasman

    246tasman Formula 3

    Jun 21, 2007
    1,441
    UK
    Full Name:
    Will Tomkins
    He does state 'just final buyer'....That seems clear enough to me.
     
  16. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary

    Mar 2, 2005
    22,744
    Hey Pieter, I did, of course, not contact him with my real name but using two different aliases that cannot be traced back!
    Ciao
    MM
     
  17. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    I think Marcel is very capable of playing that role too.....
     
  18. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    Your IP address will have revealed your identity, these Ferrari owners are so cunning.....
     
  19. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary

    Mar 2, 2005
    22,744
    You do not really believe that I own just one computer and at the same place?
    MM
     
  20. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    by now you should have owned the car.....
     
  21. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

    Jun 7, 2007
    4,300
    Cape Town, South Afr
    Full Name:
    Jack Verschuur
    It smells.

    If I have a genuine car for sale, I'd welcome the involvement of someone who is an authority on the subject, as he can be conducive to my business.

    There must be a story, the number of candidates for the chassis is very limited. Or did Ferrari build one, never numbered and never registered, extra, that was walled in in a factory in Italy after it fell off a truck only to be found now after 55 years and the building caved in?

    Come on, someone is playing.

    I am a genuine interesting AND interested person, unfortunately I suspect that my cash is insufficient...
     
  22. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

    Feb 22, 2003
    10,213
    San Antonio
    Full Name:
    Russ Turner
    I wrote and offered to fly to Europe (seriously) to come see the car in December or January, and got the standard reply everyone else did.
    I will admit it does not sound very straight up, but I may try to go see it anyway in December or January. I will bring a fake moustache and Afro wig for Marcel who will accompany me as my "valet" to inspect the car... :) (j/k)
     
  23. ferrarip4

    ferrarip4 Formula 3

    May 8, 2008
    1,208
    Sydney, Australia
    Full Name:
    Chanh Lê Huy
    Haha!!!

    Hope you will not fall into a Mafia's trap!

    This looks really fishy as if a kid trying to sell the precious car of his dying dad or uncle, without anyone in the family knowing about it...
     
  24. GTSguy

    GTSguy Formula Junior

    Oct 25, 2004
    615
    Northern California
    Full Name:
    Jon
    Hmm, I'd bet this guy is really in Nigeria.....
     
  25. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary

    Mar 2, 2005
    22,744
    Well, I too offered to go straight to Italy and inspect car, then buy it.
    I finally got a reply from an "Antonio" but he sent just a standard reply, NOT answering my questions WHERE to go to or giving a date and he didn't answer any of my other questions. With this lack of co-operation (or should I say motivation?) it is impossible to sell or buy anything.............not very professional, I think.
    Marcel Massini
     

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