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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Villeneuve made a similar comment: He said it better was intentional, because if it hadn't been the FIA should revoke his super license for not being able to handle a F1.

    <don't shoot the messenger, just reporting from today's newspapers>
     
  2. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    :D
     
  3. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    yea? i think JV should get his license revoked for not even understanding a stupid basic simple rule of no overtaking under yellow flags.

    < don;t shoot me andreas, just pass the msg to JV ok? >
     
  4. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    LOL, no worries. You're right, JV sits in the glass house at Monaco.
     
  5. Tifoso1

    Tifoso1 F1 Rookie

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    I think JV has turned into a bitter, bitter ex-F1 champ. IMO, his move to BAR-Honda was a bad one and thus killed his F1 career. As a fan of his father, I have always liked and rooted for him, even when he was driving against MS and Ferrari. But recently, with his inability to build a team at BAR and develop a car at BAR and maybe at BMW as well, I have started to wonder if his solo title was more the car or more him. Don't get me wrong tho, he won his title fair and square, but just makes wonder if he was a driver that happened to be at the right place at the right time instead of shear will and ability.
     
  6. GTE

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    same goes for Montoya. They both have a bigger career as Schumacher-critics, than as F1drivers.
     
  7. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    agreed. both drivers have no idea where or what they'll be driving next season, but they always wanna jump into conclusions and give stupid childish comments. btws, anybody read what FA had to say to a german newspaper?
     
  8. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I didn't hear that, but I saw the comments from Rosberg Sr. and Jr. Not pretty.
     
  9. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

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    Are there any particular comments Montoya gave that pissed some of you guys off? His comments during pre-race coverage on CBS wasn't bad and neither was the post-race F1.com stuff imo. Is this just another thing to bash Montoya on? He looked like a top 4 driver again this weekend.
     
  10. coachi

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    I dont know whether he did that on purpose or not, and I am not smart enough to figure it out for myself...but the question that keeps haunting me, is why would amultiyears world champion lower himself to do something like this that can only add shame to his reputation when the history books are written....He is so eloquent in general and presents himself quite well on the podiums and in press conferences...and he makes hundreds of millions...why would he lower himself to do that? is he desperate for another win?

    On another note, he did well to come all the way from the back of the poack and finish as high as he did...had he started 2nd or 3rd, he might have won anyhow...

    My 2 c worth
     
  11. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    The interviewer really had to push hard to get something negative out of Montoya before the race.
     
  12. JH

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    You have a Ferrari and been on a race track right? - I have too (Not in a Ferrari, but on track), and I don't know about you, but if I overcorrect and my tires block, as you can see his does, two times, the first one even creates smoke, then he releases the brake, but the wheels are still turned hard right and therefore won't get traction, so offcause he turns to the left again to get the wheels rolling, and then it is to late, he get's to close to the wall and the turning radius is to big to get free. So your argument does not hold water :). Whether MS blocked the brakes on purpose, that we cannot tell, none can, not officials, FIA or anyone, only himself. Therefore the call to remove him from pole was wrong and was not a call for the officials to make as they couldn't know in any way if it was deliberate. They cannot know for sure, and it was a bad call on their behalf.
     
  13. FLATOUTRACING

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    Baloney, the FIA now have released his telemetry and he braked nearly 50% harder than the previous zillion times at the same corner. A 7 time world champion doesn't make that kind of mistake unless something was mechanically wrong.
     
  14. GTE

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    Or unless he is on a do-or-die lap, almost losing the car as he enters Rascasse.
     
  15. Admiral Thrawn

    Admiral Thrawn F1 Rookie

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    No, there was no need for him to hammer the brakes again mid corner at 16km/h, 'requiring' him to unwind the steering.

    Entering the corner yes, but not the silly corrections he did afterwards.
     
  16. heckler40

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    Since you've been on a track, do you care to comment on his setup into that corner?
     
  17. JH

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    How should I know what his setup is?
     
  18. GTE

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    Drivers have been known to make silly mistakes in the past.

    Senna in Monaco 1988.
    Prost spinning off during the formationlap at Imola 1991.
    Coulthard losing it in the pitlane at Adelaide 1995.
    Hakkinen not remembering how to brake for the Monza-chicane in 2000.

    It is possible that Schumacher just made a silly mistake and there´s no evidence it wasn´t just a silly mistake.
     
  19. Admiral Thrawn

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    No, none of those examples are anything like what happened with Schumi at that corner.

    Senna crashed because he was going absolutely flat out (miles ahead in the lead, having utterly dominated QLF), and understeered into the barrier.

    Coulthard crashed because there was either some oil in the pit lane or a malfunction with the drive of the car causing understeer... either way he still crashed.

    MS didn't crash, he came to a stop conveniently without causing any damage to the car.

    There is evidence that it wasn't a silly mistake. What he actually did as visible from various camera angles - taking a completely different line (straight on / early apex) through the corner; and the telemetry reviewed by the stewards - braking 50% harder than any previous occasion, causing the wheels to lock up.

    There is also historical precedence. Schumacher has done this before, i.e. causing a red flag situation during QLF.
     
  20. GTE

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    Don´t you find that odd? The case would´ve been totally opposite, if only Schumacher had damaged something on the car. Would that have made the move itself any different? No.
     
  21. heckler40

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    Did you watch the race?
     
  22. tifosi12

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    True, but damaging just the front wing would have made it less suspect. Patrick Head commented about that to the press: "If you want to get away with this, you need to sacrifice at least a wing."
     
  23. classic308

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    What Ferrari should do is call attention to the fact that FIA totally screwed up when handing out the penalties-5 spots for GF and back of the grid for MS by Spanish, French and English stewards. Hmmmmmmm......

    Ferrari has its work cut out against Renault-the other F1 teams are useless and the jack-offs @ FIA are out to screw you.

    What FIA should do is find out why their crown jewel, F1, stinks in terms of a racing series; these morons need to attend a MotoGP and maybe they'll get a clue what racing is all about....
     
  24. SoftwareDrone

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    I would be happy to give Michael the benefit of a doubt if he wasn't already famous for this in F3000. And Patrick hit the nail on the Head (Oh I am so funny!); he should have sacrificed at least a wing.
     
  25. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Actually you are. I'll borrow that one and use it at some future moment. Good one. :)
     

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