Most Important: WDC Or WCC??

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302264

Winning the WDC will potentially allow the team to get way more funds than Bernie's TV $'s.
Pete

 

Can I have a link to this Horner quote please.

[EDIT:]Found it: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87929

All I can say is I am genuinely surprised, but I do think Ferrari and McLaren would give a different answer, and I believe Horner is an idiot (thus I have little respect for him). Makes me wonder if he really understands the sport he is involved with, OR was he for some weird reason hedging his bets trying to avoid another foot in mouth comment to the media. His comment also implies that the WDC is onlyl about the driver, forgetting of course that the team wins also because of course the driver has to be driving somebodies car.
Pete

 

I don't care what the Horner-Ochse says.

 

This maybe a re-post since the subject has already been discussed.

From a financial point of view, I believe that the World Constructors Championship is more important to a team than if one of its drivers wins the World Drivers Championship.

Championship points gathered by each team determine the return they get from Formula One Management (Bernie Ecclestone) at the end of the year.

Bernie sells the TV rights, and gives some money back (60% actually) to the team on a sliding scale system depending on championship points.

So, evidently, the teams are interested in gathering the maximum of points from their 2 drivers, and winning the WCC surely gives that.

From a prestige point of view, of course providing the winning car to the WDC is also important.

 

So Horner says that within the team, the WDC and WCC have equal value, but outside the team, the WDC has more value.

Therefore, clearly, the WDC is the more important one overall.

Straight from the horses (jackasses?) mouth.

 

People remember the WDCs, but hardly the WCCs.

Many know that Fangio was WDC 5 times, for example, but not many can say what car he was driving each time.

A team can get the WCC, but if its leading driver fails to become WDC that year, everyone forget about the best team overall.

 

I think it depends which has gives back more money. But, i've never seen a team celebrating a WCC title, while losing a WDC title.

 

I would think that if I was a constructor winning the 'Constructors Championship' would feel better than one of my employees winning the 'Drivers Championship' .

 

I watch to see who wins the WDC, but I use the WCC as a guide to who had the best car in a given season. I don't give a sh*t what they mean to the teams.

 

The WDC is the one the fans have the most interest in I would expect and also obviously for the drivers because it's fun to see who is THEE best driver in the world right now. But the WCC is the one that means the most to the team purely because it means they have done the best job through-out the season and have built the best car, it's also where the teams make their money, which is why it would be a huge thing for Red Bull if they won this year. Their budget would go through the roof.

 

+1

 

Source please.

While I do understand it is the source of the FOCA funds, surely sponsorship is far more $'s ... and that comes from having the car that the WDC used.
Pete

 

In that a WDC can walk away at the end of a season and take his #1 with him the WCC is a guaranteed payday for the team.
Drivers have shorter careers than most teams do and I think that the longer you follow the sport the more you become attached to particular teams. Seeing Williams take pole today was special because of the arc of their history. The idea that they might return to greatness hits a deeper chord with me than seeing Hulk get his first pole, as special as that is.

 

Indeed. I like Williams and hope they can ride this wave of competitiveness into next year.

 

Frank Williams has been quoted for many years as saying that Williams values the WCC much more highly than the WDC. I believe that Ron Dennis has often stated the same for McLaren.

So that's now Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, and Williams teams that all believe the WCC is worth more to them than the WDC. Why is this still a question? Sure, we all believe the WDC is worth more, but if the question was (and is) what do the F1 teams themselves believe, then I think the question is answered in favour of the WCC.

 

First or all we only have a Red Bull and Frank Williams quote. We have no source for the others.

Secondly the teams actions with team orders clearly indicates that the WDC is more important, ie. why swap Massa and Alonso positions in Germany if the WCC only mattered to them?. You would simply let the drivers fight it out.

Thus I believe being the winning car for the WDC is more important, and Christian Horner does not know **** about F1 and just about every time he talks to the media he shows what a complete ***** he is.

As for Frank ... well look at how he has run his team almost out of F1. Maybe if he had focused on the WDC instead of enjoying the drivers battle it out his team would still be a force in F1.
Pete

 

2 things ruined Williams' dominance:

1) losing Adrian Newey...

2) not selling out to a huge car manufacturer and giving up a large degree of control. Ferrari having Fiat money behind them and McLaren having Mercedes money have been key elements in their ability to spend money and stay competitive. Sir Frank and Patrick weren't willing to give up the control that would have come with selling a majority share and have seen their car slip further and further down the order...

...Williams was THE dominant team in the early to mid 90s and the mid 80s.

how the mighty have fallen...

It may have taken fluke circumstances, but it is heart-warming to have today's occurence to allow Frank and Patrick to again enjoy a Glory Day in the Sun

Frank

 

Let's just toss in another Christian Horner quote on the subject - this from today's (Fri, Nov 12) FIA Press Conference at Abu Dhabi:

So again Red Bull, and in Horner's opinion most teams, value the WCC more - there's the answer, again, to the original question. He does acknowledge that the WDC carries more prestige, but that's a different question. Which is most important to the team? WCC.

 

It's the most important because it's the most lucrative for the team.
See post #5.

 

In that the financial benefits allow the team to go on yes but I don't think its that one dimensional.
The WCC is awarded to the team as an entity (as opposed to the WDC which is awarded to the driver alone) and so honors the accomplishment of each of the team members.

 

I don't know if the dividends for a WCC are a lot more than for the team that comes second or third, but I suspect they are, and we are talking millions here. I don't even know if they are published or in the public domain.

Honors are OK, but I am talking budget here, which is present on the mind of every team proncipal.

 

From today;
Q. (Chuck Culpepper – The National) Christian, you must have pictured in past years what it would have been like to win a constructors' championship, so has it been odd to win it and then spend the aftermath talking about this other thing; it seems submerged in that?

CH: It's an interesting one because the constructors' probably within most teams is internally the championship that probably means the most. It's the championship where, department for department, they are measuring themselves against their peers and it's down to the performance of the car, the team, the production side, the drivers as a combination and it's just a tremendous result for Red Bull to have come into the sport and within a very short space of time, delivered what is for us a prized and very, very valuable goal. Just over six years ago Dietrich Mateschitz had a vision that I think perhaps a few people scoffed at at the time but we stuck at it, we've assembled a fantastic group of people, we've got two great drivers and with the support of all our suppliers and all the backroom staff and commitment we've achieved what is for us, in many respects, the ultimate goal which is the constructors' world championship. Obviously the prestige is with the Drivers' and we've still got two drivers who are still very much in contention here but the delight and buzz that came out of Milton Keynes following the result on Sunday was just absolutely tremendous. And when you're competing against teams such as McLaren and Ferrari with such tremendous heritage, then it's a great honour for us to be able to take them on and ultimately this year emerge on top, so not only was every member of the team very proud of what we achieved on Sunday evening but every member of the Red Bull Group around the world, and the reception that we've had has been fantastic. Irrelevant of whatever result we achieve here, which hopefully would be the icing on the cake, we plan to really celebrate this success once we get back to the UK via Austria on Monday, UK on Tuesday next week.

 

As in all F1 financial matters these figures are not in the public domain.
While the MD will have a close eye on the balances I doubt that team members put in the hours and effort just for the money.
In any case it seems that we agree on the basics here.