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  1. readplays

    readplays Formula 3

    Aug 22, 2008
    2,344
    New York City
    Full Name:
    Dave Powers
    lot 247 2004 Porsche Carrera GT 590K sold.
     
  2. readplays

    readplays Formula 3

    Aug 22, 2008
    2,344
    New York City
    Full Name:
    Dave Powers
    lot 248 2005 575 SA 300K sold.
     
  3. readplays

    readplays Formula 3

    Aug 22, 2008
    2,344
    New York City
    Full Name:
    Dave Powers
    #178 readplays, Aug 20, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2016
    lot 249 1932 Ford Hi-Boy roadster 55K sold.
    Final lot of RM catalogue.
     
  4. Timmmmmmmmmmy

    Timmmmmmmmmmy F1 Rookie

    Apr 5, 2010
    2,612
    NZ
    Full Name:
    Timothy Russell
    RM sold 42/49 with one withdrawn. Grossed $54 mil. All provisional of course.

    1970 Maserati Indy AM116/47 706 $75,000.00 $100,000.00 $60,000.00 $66,000.00
    1968 Maserati Mexico 4.7 Vignale AM112/1 216 $90,000.00 $120,000.00 $90,000.00 $99,000.00
    1975 Maserati Khamsin AM120-US 1046 $100,000.00 $140,000.00 $140,000.00 $154,000.00
    1973 Maserati Bora 4.9 AM117/49 620 $140,000.00 $180,000.00 $115,000.00 $126,500.00
    1968 Maserati Ghibli 4.7 Coupe Ghia AM115 758 $160,000.00 $200,000.00 $120,000.00 $132,000.00
    1961 Maserati 3500GT Coupe AM1011802 $240,000.00 $280,000.00 $240,000.00 $264,000.00
    1951 Maserati A6G2000 2020 $400,000.00 $500,000.00 $260,000.00 $286,000.00
    1963 Maserati 3500GTi Coupe AM1012590 $250,000.00 $350,000.00 $210,000.00 $231,000.00
    1965 Maserati Mistral Spider AM109/S 099 $400,000.00 $500,000.00 $375,000.00 $412,500.00
    1971 Maserati Quattroporte Prototype Frua AM121 002 $175,000.00 $225,000.00 $80,000.00 $88,000.00
    2005 Maserati MC12 ZAMDF44B000016977 $1,300,000.00 $1,600,000.00 $1,300,000.00 $1,430,000.00
    1969 AAR Eagle Mark 5 F5000 510 $125,000.00 $175,000.00 $180,000.00 $198,000.00
    1969 AAR Eagle Santa Ana 704 $175,000.00 $225,000.00 $90,000.00 $99,000.00
    1966 AAR Eagle Indy #31 201 $600,000.00 $800,000.00 $875,000.00 $957,500.00
    1984 Ferrari 512BBi 50475 $240,000.00 $280,000.00 $255,000.00 $280,500.00
    1958 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham 58P021440 $200,000.00 $250,000.00 $270,000.00 $297,000.00
    1967 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 8787 $350,000.00 $450,000.00 $670,000.00 $737,000.00
    1958 Ferrari 250GT Long Wheelbase California 1055GT $12,000,000.00 $14,000,000.00 not sold @ $9.2 mil.
    1993 Jaguar XK220 SAJJEAEX8AX220857 $250,000.00 $325,000.00 $345,000.00 $378,500.00
    1960 Maserati 3500GT Vignale Spider AM101971 $900,000.00 $1,100,000.00 not sold @ $750k
    1930 Cadillac V-16 Fleetwood Roadster 701432 $950,000.00 $1,200,000.00 $1,325,000.00 $1,457,500.00
    1931 Duesenberg Model J Derham Tourster 2468/J-451 $1,300,000.00 $1,600,000.00 $1,200,000.00 $1,320,000.00
    1971 Ferrari 365GTB/4 14189 $750,000.00 $850,000.00 $700,000.00 $770,000.00
    1963 Ferrari 250GT Lusso 4415GT $2,000,000.00 $2,500,000.00 $1,900,000.00 $2,090,000.00
    1952 Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet A Rose Garden 187.012.09639/52 $200,000.00 $250,000.00 $170,000.00 $187,000.00
    1957 BMW 507 Roadster 70044 $2,400,000.00 $2,700,000.00 not sold @ $1.95 mil.
    1935 Avions Voisin C28 Aerosport 53034 ? ? Withdrawn
    1957 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Roadster 198.042.7500089 $1,300,000.00 $1,650,000.00 $1,200,000.00 $1,320,000.00
    1973 Ferrari 365GTS/4 16847 $2,150,000.00 $2,650,000.00 $2,250,000.00 $2,475,000.00
    1926 Miller Locomobile Junior 8 8 $750,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $700,000.00 $770,000.00
    1908 American Underslung 50HP Roadster 1427 $1,400,000.00 $1,750,000.00 not sold @ $1.3 mil.
    1956 Ferrari 250GT Tour de France 0507GT $7,000,000.00 $9,000,000.00 $5,200,000.00 $5,720,000.00
    1926 Bentley 3/4.5 litre Le Mans Tourer 911 $600,000.00 $750,000.00 $620,000.00 $682,000.00
    1938 Alfa Romeo 8C2900B Touring Lungo Spider 412041 $20,000,000.00 $25,000,000.00 $18,000,000.00 $19,800,000.00
    1958 AC Aceca BEX670 $250,000.00 $300,000.00 $245,000.00 $259,500.00
    1908 Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost Wilkinson Tourer 60756 $1,000,000.00 $1,500,000.00 $90,000.00 $990,000.00
    1972 Lamborghini Miura SV 3673 $1,900,000.00 $2,200,000.00 not sold @ $1.5 mil.
    1954 Pegaso Z-102 Saoutchik Berlinetta 0102-150 0148 $800,000.00 $1,100,000.00 $800,000.00 $880,000.00
    1990 Ferrari F40 87123 $1,200,000.00 $1,400,000.00 $1,150,000.00 $1,265,000.00
    1962 Ferrari 268SP #0798 ? ? not sold @ $12.5
    1939 Bentley 4.25 litre Honeymoon Express B30MR $750,000.00 $900,000.00 $700,000.00 $770,000.00
    1934 Mercedes-Benz 500K Cabriolet A 105391 $2,000,000.00 $2,500,000.00 $1,700,000.00 $1,870,000.00
    1964 Ferrari 500 Superfast 5985 $2,800,000.00 $3,400,000.00 $2,500,000.00 $2,750,000.00
    1969 Ferrari 365GTC 12141 $750,000.00 $850,000.00 $620,000.00 $682,000.00
    1968 Ferrari 206GT 298 $700,000.00 $825,000.00 $625,000.00 $687,500.00
    1938 SS SS100 3.5 litre Roadster 49049 $600,000.00 $800,000.00 $520,000.00 $572,000.00
    2004 Porsche Carrera GT WP0CA29804L001183 $650,000.00 $700,000.00 $590,000.00 $649,000.00
    2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica 142022 $375,000.00 $425,000.00 $300,000.00 $330,000.00
    1932 Ford Hi-Boy Roadster AB 5055556 $75,000.00 $100,000.00 $55,000.00 $60,500.00
     
  5. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary

    Mar 2, 2005
    22,739
    Both 288 GTO and LF at Bonhams sold to same collector in Missouri.

    Marcel Massini
     
  6. ignominus

    ignominus Karting

    Sep 6, 2013
    182
    Fully agree. Apart from a few cars or auctions houses like Gooding, most cars sold at auctions are now usually below-the-average quality. To me, auction results often mean nothing in assessing the value of a car, espcially at the present time where there are so few nice cars on the market.

    I found my best cars either from long-time collectors friend of mine or through highly specialised merchants. Finding a great car is generally a genuine quest.

    By the way, very nice collection Henk! I see we have somewhat similar tastes (and similar cars). Please let me know if you are in Paris someday so that we can meet up.


     
  7. msn

    msn Formula Junior

    Jan 22, 2011
    412
    I personally feel the results were pretty good, as ever, the best most original cars command the money and the other struggle, that has always been the case with 25 years of collecting cars now. Ebbs and Flows over the years always flatten out and the same message is always mentioned, always buy the best that that will pay dividends.
    The Mecum number for the La Ferrari stands out, as it makes The F40, F50 and Enzo not to mention the GTO seems such god value compared..
    The 4.7 does this include buyers premium?
     
  8. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    17,673
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Pete
    Somebody got a bargain.

    I don't understand 250GTO's selling for $45m and one of the greatest cars ever created by the human race selling for 1/3rd. Not saying GTO's are not awesome, but a 8c2900B is on a much high level of awesomeness.
    Pete
     
  9. msn

    msn Formula Junior

    Jan 22, 2011
    412
    Apparently it does not include buyers premium.. Wow a big number..
     
  10. readplays

    readplays Formula 3

    Aug 22, 2008
    2,344
    New York City
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    Dave Powers
    The GTO is much more well-known and that certainly plays some part in its perceived value.

    Pete I think it has to be said that, although I would love to have this car, 412041 is not among the top rank of the road-going 2.9s for several reasons.
    A no-stories corto Touring-bodied 2.9 B should go for a healthy multiple over this one's selling price.

    That said, I can't dispute your point.
     
  11. henk3

    henk3 Karting

    Feb 14, 2011
    53
    Amsterdam
    Full Name:
    Henk de Vries
    Sunday morning in Zeeland NL. Nice reading over breakfast. Great work guys! Thank you Timmy for putting all this together, guess I will have to check out Gooding, I do get their catalogs. Amazingly low prices for all those Maseratis at RM (were they in poor condition?), and damn I should have gone for that Maserati A6G...
     
  12. benmou

    benmou Formula Junior
    BANNED

    Jan 21, 2015
    431
    Congratulations to TIM and Massini
    We all need to say BIG THANK YOU
     
  13. jnk

    jnk Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2010
    341
    The Rick Cole auction seemed to have only a handful of sales.
    I counted less than 10 cars that sold.
     
  14. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    17,673
    Tauranga, NZ
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    Pete
    I would prefer the Touring Berlinetta myself :) and of course some 8c2900's have very important race history ... surely blank cheque material!
    Pete
     
  15. tilomagnet

    tilomagnet Formula Junior

    Sep 26, 2010
    308
    I agree. I would much rather have the Alfa than any GTO. It has it all....incredible beauty, advanced body design (Superleggera), racing pedigree, the fastest production car of its time etc. etc.

    Anyone know where it went to???
     
  16. tilomagnet

    tilomagnet Formula Junior

    Sep 26, 2010
    308
    Sorry for off-topic but what cars are considered top tier 2.9s? I would guess John Mozart's Corto Spyder and the Berlinettas of John Shirley and Collier (MM winner)?
     
  17. Timmmmmmmmmmy

    Timmmmmmmmmmy F1 Rookie

    Apr 5, 2010
    2,612
    NZ
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    Timothy Russell
    Four of the five Coupes are totally original. Several of the spiders ditto. Simon Moore's books on the subject are wonderful in not only giving the facts for these 8c's but telling a story that is a homage to these wonderful cars.
     
  18. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Mar 4, 2005
    8,826
    Although its an ugly duck - I can only hope that its bulky PF-coachwork will not taken away and replaced by the much more beautiful Zagato-coachwork for this type and then be sold for Euro 1-1.5m...
    (A correct A6G 2000 Zagato comes now for Euro 4.5m).

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  19. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Mar 4, 2005
    8,826
    And don`t forget Lauren`s 2.9, the MM winner! Overrestored and in the wrong color today - but OK...

    Its a FANTASTIC car!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  20. PG1964

    PG1964 Formula Junior

    Nov 2, 2010
    482
    Torino, Italy
    The facts evolved always. Not only the Moore's book can dissolve the fog, a good automotive historian can do it too. If the new owner wants to give me a call....
     
  21. italiancars

    italiancars F1 Rookie

    Apr 18, 2004
    3,338
    Hershey, PA
    Lauren's car (ex hill, lee, serri) is not the MM winner. It came in 2nd, the winner is owned by Simione.
     
  22. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Mar 4, 2005
    8,826
    Ooops, yup - you are right!

    However -IMO Fred`s car and the Lauren 2.9 are both the crown jewels of the Alfa 2.9.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  23. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Jan 11, 2008
    41,690
    Sarasota
    Full Name:
    David
    Isn't the Collier car a MM winner?
     
  24. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 17, 2001
    33,014
    Full Name:
    Joe Mansion
    0507gt at 5.2m seems a bargain compared to what is market for the more common tdf no?
     
  25. 330 4HL

    330 4HL Formula 3

    May 12, 2005
    1,540
    Vancouver
    Full Name:
    Rick Bradner
    #200 330 4HL, Aug 21, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2016
     

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