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  1. 275gtb6c

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    #26 275gtb6c, Jul 26, 2014
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    1952 Ferrari 212 Europa #0277EU $1.4 - $1.7 mil. Bonhams #230 (Classiche certified) 1.200.000
    1953 Ferrari 250 Europa #0305EU $1.9 - $2.4 mil. RM #225 (1 of 21 built) 1.200.000

    1953 Ferrari 250MM Berlinetta #0312M $9 - $12 mil. Bonhams #6 (ex Phil Hill) 8.500.000
    1954 Ferrari 375 MM #0362AM Not given Mecum S178 (ex Paravano) 10.000.000
    1955 Ferrari 410 Sport #0592CM Not given Rick Cole (1 of 4) 6.000.000
    1956 Ferrari 250GT Europa #0427GT $2.5 - 3 mil. Gooding #26 (Last Europa) 1.200.000
    1958 Ferrari 250GT Cabriolet Series I #0759 $6.5 - $8.5 mil. Bonhams #5(ex Kauffman/ '57 Turin Show) 5.000.000
    1959 Ferrari 250GT Cabriolet Series I #1475 $4.5 - $6 mil. Gooding #133 (ex Hillary Raab) 5.500.000
    1959 Ferrari 250GT Coupe #1471 $600,000.00 - $700,000.00 Bonhams #217 ex Prince Bertil 450.000
    1960 Ferrari 250GT Cabriolet Series II #1981 $1.2 - $1.5 mil. Bonhams #297 1.800.000
    1961 Ferrari 250GT Cabriolet Series II #2441 Not given Mecum #S161 y7eadsvi 1.800.000
    1961 Ferrari 250GT SWB California Spider #2903 $13 - $15 mil. Gooding #18 9.000.000
    1962 Ferrari 250 SWB #3735 $8.5 - $9 mil. Rick Cole 8.500.000
    1962 Ferrari 250GT Cabriolet Series II #3807 $2.2 - $2.4 mil. Rick Cole (Classiche certified) 1.800.000
    1962 Ferrari 250GT Cabriolet Series II #1817 $1.8 - $2.2 mil. Gooding #62 1.800.000
    1962 Ferrari 250GT SWB Berlinetta #3113GT Not given Gooding #120 8.500.000
    1962 Ferrari 250GT SWB Berlinetta Speciale Aerodynamico #3615 $4 - $7 mil Bonhams #10 (1 of 4) 5.000.000
    1962 Ferrari 250GTO #3851 $47 - $52 mil. Bonhams #3 (1 owner last 49 years) 48.000.000
    1963 Ferrari 250GT Lusso #5179 $1.9 - $2.5 mil. RM #216 (1 owner for 46 years) 1.800.000
    1963 Ferrari 250GT Lusso #4481 $1.8 - $2.1 mil. Rick Cole (1 owner for 41 years) 1.800.000
    1963 Ferrari 250GTE 2 + 2 #4303 $350,000.00 - $425,000.00 RM #110 320.000
    1963 Ferrari 250GTE 2 + 2 #4843 $50,000.00 - $100,000.00 Bonhams #248 (Barn find) 200.000
    1963 Ferrari 400SA LWB Coupe Aerodynamico Series II #4113 $2.5 - $3 mil. RM #218 2.800.000
    1964 Ferrari 250GT Lusso #5233 $1.4 - $1.8 mil. RM #118 (1 owner/ barn find) 1.800.000
    1964 Ferrari 250GT Lusso #5249GT Not given Gooding #60 (All original) 1.800.000
    1964 Ferrari 250GT Lusso #5791 $1.75 - $2.5 mil. Gooding #141 1.800.000
    1964 Ferrari 250LM #6045LM $8.5 - $12.5 mil. RM #150 9.000.000
    1964 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 #6089 $220,000.00 - $260,000.00 Gooding #146 280.000
    1965 Ferrari 250GT NART Spider #2235 $1.2 - $1.6 mil. RM #249 (Fantuzzi body/ 1 off) 600.000
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTB #7993 $3.75 - $4.25 mil. Gooding #113 (Custom bodywork) 3.100.000
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale #06701 Not given RM #239 (1 of 3) 8.500.000
    1965 Ferrari 275GTB #7633 $2.25 - $2.75 mil. Mecum #S164 2.000.000
    1965 Ferrari 275GTB #6891 $1.4 - $1.7 mil. Rick Cole (stored for 40 years) 1.800.000
    1965 Ferrari 275GTB Competizione Clienti #7477 Not given Rick Cole (ex Alfred Ducato) 3.000.000
    1965 Ferrari 275GTB/4 #8069 $2.6 - $3.2 mil. RM #237 (1 owner 40 years) 2.800.000
    1965 Ferrari 275GTS #8621 $1.5 - $1.7 mil. Rick Cole (Original) 1.400.000
    1965 Ferrari 275GTS #07205 $1.75 - $2 mil. Gooding #136 1.400.000
    1966 Ferrari 275GTB #8933 $2.6 - $3.2 mil. Bonhams #289 2.400.000
    1966 Ferrari 275GTS #7805 $1.75 - $2.5 mil. RM #227 (Original) 1.400.000
    1966 Ferrari 330 GT #7123GT Not given Mecum #S64 (59 Testa Rossa Replica) 380.000
    1966 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 #8379 $325,000.00 - $425,000.00 Bonhams #225 (ex Pat Boone) 280.000
    1966 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 #9209 $200,000.00 - $250,000.00 Bonhams #271 200.000
    1966 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 Speciale #7979 $400,000.00 - $600,000.00 Gooding #51 (1 off Drogo) 400.000
    1966 Ferrari 330GT 2+ 2 #8947 $275,000.00 - $375,000.00 RM #151 200.000
    1966 Ferrari 365P Berlinetta Speciale Tre Ponti #8971 Not given Gooding #123 (1 of 2) 6.000.000
    1967 Ferrari 275GTB/4 #10063 $3.75 - $4.5 mil. RM #231 2.800.000
    1967 Ferrari 275GTB/4 #10621 $8 - $12 mil. RM #220 (ex Steve McQueen) 4.000.000
    1967 Ferrari 330GTC #10267 $750,000.00 -$850,000.00 RM #234 650.000
    1967 Ferrari 330GTC #9659 $650,000.00 - $750,000.00 Gooding #48 600.000
    1967 Ferrari 330GTC #10007 $800,000.00 - $900,000.00 Bonhams #274 600.000
    1968 Ferrari 246 Tasman #0008 $1.2 - $1.8 mil. Bonhams #7 (Chris Amon '68/69) 850.000
    1968 Ferrari 330GTC #10937 $650,000.00 - $750,000.00 RM #116 650.000
    1968 Ferrari 330GTC #11113 $600,000.00 - $700,000.00 Gooding #109 650.000
    1968 Ferrari DINO 206 GT #00126 $600,000.00 - $700,000.00 Gooding #107 500.000
    1969 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #12691 $575,000.00 - $675,000.00 RM #213 500.000
    1969 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #12765 $650,000.00 - $800,000.00 Bonhams #9 (Competizione Replica) 600.000
    1969 Ferrari 365GT 2 + 2 #12065 $200,000.00 - $250,000.00 Bonhams #291 180.000
    1969 Ferrari 365GTB/4 Daytona Competizione #12467 $5.5 - $7 mil. Gooding #127 5.000.000
    1969 Ferrari 365GTC #12541 $700,000.00 - $850,000.00 Gooding #29 500.000
    1969 Ferrari 365GTC #12655 $750,000.00 - $1 mil. Bonhams #2 (Original) 600.000
    1969 Ferrari Dino 206 GT #00338 $500,000.00 - $700,000.00 Bonhams #1 600.000
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #14229 $675,000.00 - $750,000.00 Gooding #33 500.000
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #14821 $775,000.00 - $900,000.00 Bonhams #258 600.000
    1972 Ferrari 365 GT4 2 + 2 Prototipo #16293 $150,000.00 - $200,000.00 RM #262 250.000
    1972 Ferrari 365 GTC/4 #15653 $275,000.00 $350,000.00 Gooding #45 200.000
    1972 Ferrari 365 GTC/4 #16025 $275,000.00 $325,000.00 Bonhams #210 200.000
    1972 Ferrari Dino 246 GT #3964 $290,000.00 $330,000.00 Bonhams #265 220.000
    1973 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #16889 $450,000.00 - $650,000.00 Rick Cole 500.000
    1973 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #16943 $850,000.00 - $950,000.00 Rick Cole 550.000
    1973 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona #16931 $650,000.00 - $850,000.00 RM #243 550.000
    1973 Ferrari DINO 246 GTS #7328 Not given Mecum #S96 320.000
    1973 Ferrari DINO 246 GTS #5800 $400,000.00 - $500,000.00 Mecum #S154 320.000
    1973 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS #06158 $400,000.00 - $500,000.00 RM #141 320.000
    1973 Ferrari Dno 246GTS #6464 $500,000.00 -$600,000.00 Bonhams #220 320.000
    1974 Ferrari 365BB #18265 $350,000.00 - $425,000.00 Rick Cole 180.000
    1974 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS #8454 $395,000.00 - $495,000.00 Rick Cole 320.000
    1974 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS #07976 $425,000.00 - $500,000.00 Gooding #10 320.000
    1974 Ferrari Dino 246GTS #8280 $400,000.00 - $475,000.00 Bonhams #299 320.000
    1978 Ferrari 312T3 #033 $1.5 - $2 mil. Bonhams #4 (ex Villeneuve) 800.000
    1979 Ferrari 312T4 GP #037 $1.5 - $2 mil. Bonhams #266 (ex Villeneuve)800.000
    1981 Ferrari 512BB #35409 $275,000.00 - $375,000.00 RM #109 (Only 715km) 180.000
    1981 Ferrari 512BB #38347 $195,000.00 - $245,000.00 Rick Cole 180.000
    1981 Ferrari 512BB/LM #35529 $1.2 - $1.6 mil. Bonhams #8 (Le Mans '81 & '84) 850.000
    1984 Ferrari Mondial Cabriolet #50575 Not given Mecum #T158 32.000
    1986 Ferrari 328GTS #63781 $80,000.00 - $120,000.00 RM #164 42.000
    1989 Ferrari Testa Rossa #79649 $80,000.00 - $100,000.00 Mecum #F136 58.000
    1989 Ferrari Testa Rossa #82581 $200,000.00 - $275,000.00 RM #112 (only 95 miles) 100.000
    1990 Ferrari F40 #86620 Not given Rick Cole 820.000
    1990 Ferrari F40 #85596 $1.2 - $1.4 mil. Gooding #24 820.000
    1991 Ferrari F40 #89767 $1.3 - $1.6 mil. Bonhams #263 850.000
    1992 Ferrari 348 TS #90810 Not given Mecum #S33 48.000
    1993 Ferrari 512TR #96165 $150,000.00 - $200,000.00 RM #205 80.000
    1993 Ferrari F40LM #97893 $2.25 - $2.75 mil. Bonhams #244 (1 of 19) 2.400.000
    1997 Ferrari 456GTA #107391 Not given Mecum #F212 45.000
    1997 Ferrari F310B #179 $750,000.00 - $950,000.00 RM #224 (ex Schumacher/ Irvine) 1.200.000
    1998 Ferrari 333SP #019 Not given RM #229 (Sebring & Daytona '98 winner) 2.400.000
    2000 Ferrari F1-2000 #198 $1.75 - $2.5 mil. RM #245 (ex Schumacher) 2.000.000
    2001 Ferrari 333SP #041 $1.75 - $2.25 mil. Gooding #58 (Never used) 2.200.000
    2001 Ferrari 550 Barchetta #124350 $175,000.00 - $215,000.00 RM #166 200.000
    2003 Ferrari Enzo #132664 $1.9 - $2.5 mil. RM #211 1.000.000
    2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica #140436 $225,000.00 - $275,000.00 RM #167 260.000
    2006 Ferrari FXX Evoluzione #146359 $1.7 - $2.1 mil. RM #251 1.800.000
    2010 Ferrari 599XX #170902 $900,000.00 - $1.2 mil. Bonhams #255 650.000


    Ok, wild guess, now adding up.....

    Ciao
    Oscar
     
  2. 275GTBSaran

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    Oscar with all due respect: The 4cam ex steve Mcqueen €4m? Thats a little low. And the 275 GTBC speciale €8m? Hell for that amount of money I will make a bid (and think how I am going to pay for it later). I agree mostly with your other estimates although I think you are a little bit on the low side....
     
  3. 275gtb6c

    275gtb6c Formula 3
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    Money, Money, Money....

    Hi Edmond,

    Well see, but adding up ends in 230 mil Eur or 309 USD.....
    That is my guess, could be wrong in some though.....but you are absolutely right regarding the value and people buying them (and never use them)...

    I drove my 275 last week through traffic, did not think a moment about the value, but did love the sound of the 6 carbs sucking air and setup correctly now......although these values do scare me of.

    Ciao
    Oscar
     
  4. 275GTBSaran

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    Oscar every time you get scared by values think of the following: In the art market 2 great paintings will be the entire Ferrari market value at Monterey this weekend. That is really a different dimension. Values and sums are always relative you know.

    The values don't scare me at all. I am used to big numbers. What scares me much more is the way they are increasing. That worries me.
     
  5. bighitter2

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  6. 275gtb6c

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    Edmond, I don't drive my Munch or Warhol with 160 over the motorway or circuit......that is my point. I think the total sum is less than the bonusses of some big bankers in the US.
    Ciao
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  7. Marcel Massini

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    That is Lot #212, estimated price USD 2'600'000 to USD 3'200'000.

    Marcel Massini
     
  8. 275GTBSaran

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    Ok now understood your point. Yes you make a good point. Unless art collectors play frisbee with their 'the scream' given that we drive our cars - gives it a different aspect. Although I don't drive my 4 cam anywhere the speed you drive yours ;)

    3rd gear at 120km/h around hill climbs is the most daring thing I do....
     
  9. BigTex

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    This is a lot of work you have done!
    Thank you very much for this recap...

    Alan


     
  10. BigTex

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    Can you post a picture of the Warhol?
    I love Warhol.....his 'Lynn Wyatt' hangs here at the Menil Collection.
    They drank together at Gilley's before it burned...

    And of course, she can still be found herself, shopping in River Oaks!
    Sorry for the derail.....
     
  11. Terra

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    #36 Terra, Jul 26, 2014
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    €6M for the 410 Sport?

    €8.5M for the 275 GTB/C (Le Mans) Speciale #06701?

    €6M for the 365 P Tre Posti?
     
  12. per904

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    for info the 275GTB #8069 is a 275GTB long nose alloy and not a GTB/4
     
  13. amenasce

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    I'd say around 280m Euros for Ferraris alone.
     
  14. djfrens

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    Whats it gonna be after the F40 Oscar? Or is this a keeper?
     
  15. peterp

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    Regarding "1966 Ferrari 330 GT #7123GT Not given Mecum #S64 (59 Testa Rossa Replica)", is it typical for the better auction houses to sell replicas? I haven't noticed them much, but I haven't looked either. I'd like to think that that the butchering of these cars is over, but the implications are kind of scary if this sells for large $$$.
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    What please is a "better auction house"?

    Marcel Massini
     
  17. loflyer47

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    just an interesting observation ...not a single 288GTO for sale in the whole lot..... Does anyone have an educated guess as to how many are still in the USA?
     
  18. 275gtb6c

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    All compliments should go to Timmmmmmmmmmmmmmy ( might be a few m's out of sync)..

    Ciao
    Oscar
     
  19. Bobj

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    Relative to the number produced certain cars seem to come up relatively infrequently IMHO as they are "keepers"; 288s, 250 swb, 2.7 rs, etc cars that are iconic, beautiful and exciting to drive. Other cars which meet a few of these criteria but not all seem to turn over quite frequently; e.g. Lusso (beautiful but not a great drive), F40 (not that practical) I think people espire to own them and then realise they are not using them and 2 yrs later they are back on the market in many cases (obviously not all - the F40 and Lusso are awesome cars and part of many great collections but relative to production numbers there always seem to be quite a few on offer)
     
  20. 275gtb6c

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    Yes, therefor I think my estimation is quite accurate....
    Ciao
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  21. Bobj

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    Sorry - Off topic but why are the aluminium bodies referred to as alloy? Is it not aluminium at all and in fact an aluminium alloy? If so what are the other constituents?
     
  22. geno berns

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    The only reason Lussos have been on offer as often in the last year is because the amazing raise in valuation. We are talking double the price in just 24 months and almost quadruple in the last 48 months. Motivates a lot of owners to sell is you're in the money by 100-400%. There were almost 4 times more F40's made over the Lusso's production numbers. A lot of owners own their not so practical F40's (as you put it) in the $450-$500K range. So if one can more than double their money why not? People can believe the fallacy that economics do not or should not play a roll in the collector car market if you're a true enthusiast, but that's just not reality...

    Geno

     
  23. 275gtb6c

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    Good question but alloy is next to a mixture of metals also a general desciption of a light weight metal and in this case aluminium.

    Ciao
    Oscar
     
  24. 275gtb6c

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    Could be wrong (too low) for the 410 sport, but the other two I stick to my guesses, the 275 is nice but "just" a special 275. The Tre Posti is unique but not beautiful, we will know in 3 weeks.....

    Ciao
    Oscar
     
  25. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    I posted based on having read the suggestion of Louwman ownership made both on a Fchat thread AND in an oblique way by Simon Kidston...... Happy to be corrected. Thanks
     

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