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  1. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #76 Marcel Massini, Jul 25, 2013
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  2. BIRA

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    #77 BIRA, Jul 25, 2013
    I remember seeing there when I collected the 250MM ,,in red at the time!
     
  3. Marcel Massini

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    #78 Marcel Massini, Jul 25, 2013
    Hi P.:
    Of course, everything there was red back then, except the black R Type Continental.

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. tongascrew

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    #79 tongascrew, Jul 25, 2013
    To bad it didn't sink in a fresh water lake.It might still be restorable.Salt water unfortunately will corrode everything. By the way do we know when the engine went into the hydro? tongascrew
     
  5. Marcel Massini

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    #80 Marcel Massini, Jul 25, 2013
    October 1955.

    Marcel Massini
     
  6. Boudewijn

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  7. Napolis

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    #82 Napolis, Jul 30, 2013
  8. Vintage V12

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    #83 Vintage V12, Jul 30, 2013
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    275 GTB 0 8 0 3 9 auction company description "Outstanding example". That nose shape is something I haven't seen before on any 275 GTB.
     
  9. VIZSLA

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  10. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #85 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Jul 30, 2013
    Updated 31st July with all auctions.
    All Ferraris and any other US$1 million plus vehicle
    Estimates where given
    (N/R) = No reserve

    RM Auctions August 16th & 17th @ Portola Hotel

    Ferrari
    1950 Ferrari 166 MM #0038 - Est. US$3 - 3.5 mil. (Lot 125)
    1953 Ferrari 375 MM #0364 (Lot 140)
    1954 Ferrari 500 Mondial #0418 - Est.US$2.7 - 3.2 mil. (N/R) (Lot 232)
    1955 Ferrari 750 Monza #0530 -Est. US$3.4 - 4.4 million (Lot 146)
    1956 Ferrari 250 GT Boano Berlinetta #0625GT - Est. US$750,000 - 950,000 (Lot 245)
    1957 Ferrari 250 GT Ellena Berlinetta #0807GT - Est. US$650,000 - 750,000 (Lot 144)
    1959 Ferrari 250 GT Pininfarina Berlinetta #1427GT - Est. US$300,000 - 375,000 (Lot 258)
    1960 Ferrari 250 GT Pininfarina Series II Cabriolet #1939 - Est. US$1.25 - 1.5 mil. (Lot 127)
    1961 Ferrari 400 SA #2841SA - Est. US$2.25 - 2.75 million (Lot 115)
    1961 Ferrari 250 GT Pininfarina Series II Cabriolet #2863 - Est. US$1.1 - 1.4 mil. (Lot 217)
    1964 Ferrari 250 GT Lusso #5471 - Est. US$850,000 - 1.0 mil. (Lot 247)
    1964 Ferrari 250 GT Lusso #5537 - Est. US$1.25 - 1.5 mil. (Lot 131)
    1966 Ferrari 275 GTS #07331 - Est. US$800,000 - 1.0 mil. (Lot 237)
    1967 Ferrari 275 GTB/4*S #10709 - Est. US$14 - 17 mil. (Lot 225)
    1967 Ferrari 330 GTC #10745 - Est. US$425,000 - 525,000 (Lot 153)
    1969 Ferrari 365 GTC #12203 - Est. US$800,000 - 1.0 mil. (Lot 138)
    1970 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 #13361 - Est. US$400,000 - 450,000 (N/R) (Lot 227)
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTC/4 #14455 - Est. US$160,000 - 200,000 (N/R) (Lot 210)
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTS/4 #14829 - Est. US$1 - 1.5 mil. (N/R) (Lot 240)
    1972 Ferrari 365 GTC/4 #15635 - Est. US$175,000 - 225,000 (N/R) (Lot 234)
    1973 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 #16691 - Est. US$550,000 - 650,000 (Lot 123)
    1974 Ferrari 246 GTS #08274 - Est. US$375,000 - 450,000 (Lot 116)
    1974 Ferrari 246 GTS #08500 - Est. US$350,000 - 400,000 (Lot 206)
    1979 Ferrari 308 GTS #26891 - Est. US$30,000 - 40,000 (N/R) (Lot #233)
    1984 Ferrari 512 BBi #ZFFJA09B000051335 -Est. US$150,000 - 200,000 (N/R) (Lot #143)
    1987 Ferrari Testarossa #ZFFSG17A4H0071823 - Est. US$90,000 - 110,000 (N/R) (Lot 231)
    1990 Ferrari F40 #ZFFMN34A3L0086658 - Est. US$750,000 - 950,000 (N/R) (Lot 230)
    1995 Ferrari F50 #ZFFTA46B000099999 - Est. US$1.25 - 1.6 mil. (Lot 213)
    1996 Ferrari 333 SP #015 - Est. US$1.25 - 1.55 mil. (Lot 244)
    2002 Ferrari F360 Spider #ZFFYT53A720127182 - Est. US$75,000 - 100,000 (N/R) (Lot 229)
    2010 Ferrari California #ZFF65LHA8A0170202 - Est. US$145,000 - 185,000 (N/R) (Lot 228)

    Other
    1928 Mercedes Benz S - Type #35949 (Lot 216)
    1931 Duesenberg model SJ Murphy Convertible #2367/J-345 - Est. US$2 - 2.5 mil. (Lot 238)
    1935 Hispano - Suiza K6 Brandone #16035 - Est. US$1.5 - 2 mil. (Lot 221)
    1939 Mercedes Benz 540K Special Roadster #408383 (Lot 132)
    1953 Maserati A6GCS #2053 - Est. US$2.5 - 3 mil. (Lot 235)
    1953c Maserati A6G #2190 - Est. US$1.2 - 1.5 mil. (Lot 219)
    1955 Jaguar D - Type #XKD530 - Est. US$4 - 5 mil. (Lot 137)
    1955 Mercedes Benz 300SL #198.040.5500547 - Est. US$1.3 - 1.5 mil. (Lot 109)
    1958 Lister - Jaguar #BHL101(EE) - Est. US$2.5 - 3 mil. (Lot 154)
    1960 Aston Martin DB4GT #0141/L Est. US$2 - 2.7 mil. (Lot 214)
    1960 Maserati Tipo 61 #2461 - Est. US$3 - 4 mil. (Lot 242)
    1974 McLaren M16C Indycar 1974 #M16C-5 Est. US$1.25 - 1.75 mil. (Lot 241)

    Gooding - August 17th & 18th @ Pebble Beach
    Ferrari
    1952 Ferrari 212 Europa Vignale Cabriolet #0255EU - Est. US$1.35 - 1.65 mil. (Lot 031)
    1955 Ferrari 250 GT Berline Competizione #0415 - Est. US$6.5 - 7.5 mil. (Lot 143)
    1957 Ferrari 500 TRC #0690 - Est. US$1.5 - 2.3 mil. (Lot 151)
    1957 Ferrari 250 Tour de France #0703GT - Est. US$9 - 11 mil. (Lot 039)
    1959 Ferrari 400 Superamerica Coupe Speciale #1517SA - Est. US$3.75 - 4.5 mil. (Lot 116)
    1964 Ferrari 250 GT Lusso #5683 - Est. US$1.2 - 1.5 mil. (Lot 108)
    1965 Ferrari 500 Superfast #5985 - Est. US$1.75 - 2.25 mil. (Lot 028)
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTB #7523 - Est. US$1.3 - 1.6 mil. (Lot 063)
    1965 Ferrari 330 GT 2 + 2 Series 2 #07761 - Est. US$240,000 - 280,000 (Lot 012)
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTB #7797 - Est. US$1.35 - 1.55 mil. (Lot 158)
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTB Alloy Long Nose #07887 - Est. US$2.25 - 2.5 mil. (Lot 133)
    1966 Ferrari 330 GT 2 + 2 #8787 - Est. US$180,000 - 220,000 (Lot 142)
    1967 Ferrari 365 California Spider #10327 - Est. US$2 - 2.4 mil. (Lot 149)
    1968 Ferrari 330 GTC Coupe #11517 - Est. US$500,000 - 600,000 (Lot 005)
    1969 Ferrari 365 GTC #12191 - Est. US$800,000 - 950,000 (Lot 153)
    1969 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 #12561 - Est. US$450,000 - 550,000 (Lot 050)
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Michelotti Spider "Marion" #14299 - Est. US$700,000 - 1.0 mil. (Lot 120)
    1974 Ferrari Dino 246GTS #07808 - Est. US$350,000 - 425,000 (Lot 057)
    1985 Ferrari 288 GTO #ZFFPA16B000055669 - Est. US$1.2 - 1.5 mil. (Lot 007)
    1990 Ferrari F40 LM #ZFFGX34X0K0079891 - Est. US$2 - 2.5 mil. (Lot 131)
    2002 Ferrari F2002 Grand Prix #220 - Est. US$2.2 - 2.6 mil. (Lot 034)
    2005 Ferrari FXX Evoluzione #ZFFHX62X000145369 - Est. US$2.3 - 2.6 mil. (Lot 059)

    Other
    1925 Bugatti Type 35 Grand Prix #4613 - Est. US$2.5 - 3 mil. (Lot 017)
    1929 Bentley Speed Six Grafton Coupe #FR2630 - Est. US$3 - 4 mil. (Lot 134)
    1929 Duesenberg model J Murphy Convertible #2134/J-108 - Est. US$2.25 - 2.75 mil. (Lot 055)
    1933 Rolls Royce Phantom II Gurney Nutting Sedanca Coupe #71MW - Est US$1 - 1.3 mil. (Lot 111)
    1933 Hispano - Suiza J12 Cabriolet #14046 - Est. US$2 - 3 mil. (Lot 144)
    1935 Avions Voisin C25 Aerodyne #50023 - Est. US$2 - 3 mil. (Lot 047)
    1937 Bugatti Type 57SC Atalante #57-523 - (Lot 123)
    1948 Alfa Romeo 6C2500 Competizione #920002 - Est. US$2.8 - 3.5 mil. (Lot 114)
    1954 Bentley R - Type Continental #BC5LD - Est. US$1.75 - 2.25 mil. (Lot 130)
    1955 Mercedes Benz 300SL Gullwing #198.040.5500428 - Est. US$1.2 - 1.5 mil. (Lot 141)
    1956 Maserati 150S #1667 - Est. US$2.25 - 3.0 mil. (Lot 136)
    1958 Maserati 3500GT Spider Prototype #101.124 - Est. US$1 - 1.25 mil. (Lot 125)
    1963 Mercedes Benz 300SL Roadster #198.042.10.003142 - Est. US$1.6 - 2.2 mil. (Lot 053)
    1964 Porsche 904 GTS #904-057 - Est. US$1.75 - 2.25 mil. (Lot 024)
    1964 Shelby Cobra #CSX2430 - Est. US$2 - 2.5 mil. (Lot 013)
    1966 AAR Gurney Westlake Eagle Mark 1 #AAR102 -(Lot 119)
    1996 McLaren F1 #066 (Lot 051)
    2010 Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport #VF9SK2C28AM795302 - Est. US$1.1 - 1.4 mil. (Lot 021)

    Bonhams - August 16th @ Quail Lodge
    Bonhams 1793 : Quail Lodge Auction

    Ferrari
    1953 Ferrari 250 Europa Vignale Berlinetta #0313EU Est. US$2.8 -3.4 mil. (Lot 160)
    1960 Ferrari 250 GT Cabriolet Series II #1869GT Est. US$1.2 - 1.4 mil. (Lot 130)
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTS #07799 Est. US$1.1 - 1.3 mil. (Lot 169)
    1966 Ferrari 330 GTC #9125 Est. US$470,000 - 550,000 (Lot 124)
    1967 Ferrari 330 GTC #10105 Est. US$450,000 - 550,000 (Lot 113)
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 #14233 Est. US$450,000 - 550,000 (Lot 140)
    1973 Ferrari 246 GTS #06290 Est. US$250,000 - 300,000 (Lot 184)
    1986 Ferrari 328 GTS #ZFFXA19A3G0065529 Est. US$50,000 - 60,000 (Lot 144)
    1989 Ferrari 328 GTS #ZFFXA20AXK0081609 Est. US$55,000 - $75,000 (Lot 128)

    Also of interest
    Ferrari 156 Dino Formula 1 engine Est. US$2,000 - 6,000 (Lot 98)
    Ferrari 625 LM engine Est. US$15,000 - 25,000 (Lot 99)
    Ferrari 555 Formula 1/2 engine Est. US$15,000 - 25,000 (Lot 100)


    Other
    1924 Bugatti Type 35 Prototype #4323 Est. US$1.5 - 2.5 mil. (Lot 138)
    1930 Bentley 4.5 Litre Blower Le Mans Spec. Tourer #MS3944 Est. US$4 - 5 mil. (Lot 152)
    1958 Lister - Chevrolet 1964 "Barn find" #BHL115 Est. US$1.5 - 2.5 mil. (Lot 163)
    1963 Mercedes - Benz 300SL #198042.10.003202 Est. US$1.1 mil. + (Lot 121)

    Mecum - August 15th - 17th @ Hyatt Regency Hotel
    Monterey 2013 Consignment List :: Mecum Auctions

    Ferrari
    1954 Ferrari 750 Monza #0462M (Lot S132)
    1959 Ferrari 196S Replica #0005 (Lot S82)
    1985 Ferrari 308 GTS #ZFFUA13A3F0052855 (Lot S120)
    1988 Ferrari Testa Rossa #ZFFSG17A6J0074941 Est. US$50,000 - 75,000 (Lot S184)
    1988 Ferrari Testa Rossa #ZFFSG17A9J0077185 (Lot S115)
    1990 Ferrari F40 #ZFFMN34A9L0086602 Est. US$800,000 - 1.0 mil. (Lot S141)
    1992 Ferrari 512 T/R #ZFFLG40A4N0092053 (Lot S73)
    1996 Ferrari 355 GTS #ZFFXR42A3T0104375 (Lot S110)
    1999 Ferrari 355 F1 Spider #ZFFXR48AXX0115077 (Lot F198) (N/R)
    2000 Ferrari 360 Modena #ZFFYU51A5Y0121650 (Lot F90.1)

    Other
    1938 Delage D8-120 Aerosport Coupe #51617 (Lot S150)
    1955 Porsche 550/1500RS #550-077 (Lot S134)
    1964 Shelby Cobra #CSX2487 (Lot S145)

    Russo & Steele - August 15th - 17th @ Waterfront
    Russo and Steele - Collector Automobile Auctions

    Ferrari
    1949 Ferrari 166 Inter Farina Berlinetta #037S (Lot #5016)
    1965 Ferrari 330 America Coupe #4975 (Lot #5056)
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTB NART Spider Rep. #08039 (Lot #5057)
    1972 Ferrari 365 GTS/4 Rep. #15689 (Lot #5061)
    1973 Ferrari 246 GTS #04870 (Lot #5060)
     
  11. Daytona Rick

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    #86 Daytona Rick, Jul 30, 2013
    Great article Jim. I loved that car. But goes to show: buyer be ware and do your homework.
     
  12. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #87 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Jul 30, 2013
    What I have been surprised by is the lack of $5 mil. + lots at Gooding. I am also very impressed with RM's consignments both overall and the Ferrari 375MM & 275 GTB/4 NART Spider.

    Entirely unscientific but here goes;

    Gooding
    - lots for sale with a low estimate of $1 - 5 mil. (2013 - 29) (2012 - 12) (2011 - 14)
    - lots $5 mil. + (2013 - 4) (2012 - 10) (2011 - 3)

    RM
    - $1 - 5 mil. (2013 -20) (2012 - 20) (2011 - 13)
    - $5 + (2013 - 4) (2012 - 6) (2011 - 2)

    My top 10 for sales prices (my picks for sale price)

    1 - Ferrari 275 GTB/4 NART Spider (15 million)
    2 - Ferrari 375MM (11 million)
    3 - Bugatti Type 57SC (10 million)
    4 - Ferrari 250 GT Tour de France (9 million)
    5 - Mercedes Benz S - Type (8 million)
    6 - McLaren F1 (8 million)
    7 - Ferrari 250 GT #0415 (7 million)
    8 - Mercedes Benz 540K Special Roadster (6 million)
    9 - Bentley Blower (5 million)
    10 - Jaguar D - Type (4.5 million)

    The cars I lust after

    1 - 1 - Ferrari 275 GTB/4 NART Spider (15 million)
    2 - Ferrari 375MM (11 million)
    3 - Bugatti Type 57SC (10 million)
    4 - Ferrari 250 GT Comp. (7 million)
    5 - Alfa Romeo 6C2500 Comp. (4 million)
    6 - Mercedes Benz S - Type (8 million)
    7 - Bentley 4.5 Litre Blower (4.5 million)
    8 - Bugatti Type 35 #4323 (2 million)
    9 - Hispano Suiza T15 Alfonso XIII - Gooding & Co. ($600k)
    10 - Maserati A6G #2190 ($1 million)
     
  13. tx246

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    #88 tx246, Jul 30, 2013
    There is only so much money in the buying market at any given time. I do agree, that there is more money today than a year ago, but the amount of serious machinery being on he market at any one time is pretty interesting.
     
  14. VIZSLA

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    #89 VIZSLA, Jul 30, 2013
    Six GTCs up on the same weekend.
     
  15. gimmea250swb

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    #90 gimmea250swb, Jul 31, 2013
    I did a search on 0690. It appears to be a "new-body" (barchetta) with a 250 California engine (0935) according to the gooding website. The gearbox is 0708.

    Is this correct for $1.5M? What's the going rate for a numbers matching model?

    Are the original engine and transmisison with a different car, stored somewhere or lost?
     
  16. Napolis

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    #91 Napolis, Jul 31, 2013
    The Gooding Catalogue very accurately describes exactly what it is and what it's history was.

    As an aside I have the watch that Fidel gave to Fangio after kidnapping him which is part of the story...
     
  17. Terra

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    #92 Terra, Jul 31, 2013
    Must be a reprint on Gooding's website. In the description, it's said the car is fitted motor with an early outside plug motor (a fact also confirmed by their photograph of the engine compartment). Obviously, 0935 GT is an INSIDE plug motor. Perhaps Gooding meant to say it's fitted with Engine No. 1935 GT? (i.e. which is a fairly early Tipo 128F OUTSIDE plug motor from a 250 GT PF Coupe).

    Regarding the gearbox, the auction description notes that the transmission from 0708 TR ACCOMPANIES the car (which sounds like some other gearbox is currently installed).
     
  18. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #93 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Jul 31, 2013
    Considering the 625TRC sold at RM Monaco last year @ US$6.5 million and two 500TRC sold in the past two years at roughly $4. One would need to believe $4 - 5 million is the going rate for a TRC, 1.5 - 2 million is cheap BUT it is only an original chassis with everything else new. Fitted with a 3 litre engine and no risk of destroying history buy it and race it with no worries and to be able to do that for under $2 million, it is cheap.
     
  19. BIRA

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    #94 BIRA, Aug 1, 2013
    You can race it in your private race track but cannot get an FIA HTP with a V12 engine..you will have somewhere to find a 4 cyl engine and transmission. By that time you have spent as much money as buying an authentic MD with its original body and hopefully engine, although we know there are less of those than claimed...
     
  20. gimmea250swb

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    #95 gimmea250swb, Aug 1, 2013
    What's the rate for a classique engine? Is it close to a PF Coupe?
     
  21. gimmea250swb

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    #96 gimmea250swb, Aug 1, 2013
    I saw the photo of it in another thread - very nice!
     
  22. Napolis

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    #97 Napolis, Aug 1, 2013
    There is also the issue of the people it killed. There are some who are superstitious about owning a car involved in massive death toll.
     
  23. Boudewijn

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    #98 Boudewijn, Aug 1, 2013
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  24. ggjjr

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    #99 ggjjr, Aug 1, 2013
    Jim,
    can you post a picture of the watch? I am sure others would like to see it, as well.

    Regards,

    George
     
  25. gimmea250swb

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