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Montana registration crack-down

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  1. cls

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    Beat me to it.
    Same in CA.
     
  2. Viperjoe

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    I’ve purchased cars in other states, but in every case have only paid sales tax to Pennsylvania. Dealers in adjacent states typically collect and pay the taxes to Pennsylvania, but on private deals you pay taxes based upon a realistic bill of sale.
     
  3. Rosso328

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    I find that to be incredibly sad. I couldn’t do that. At best, I would have to buy two of each (which I assume your friend could do given the size of his best of the best collection). Buy one museum piece, and an identical driver to enjoy. But even then, I would be conflicted about letting the museum piece sit and rot.
     
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  4. 09Scuderia

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    agreed. Besides, cars hate not being driven. The leak, break and go to crap. But, some cars are WAY more than cars. Like the cars in my friends collection. They are works of art.
     
  5. bellwilliam

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    how does that work when he ever sell them? even if he doesn't, his heir would sell them. He needs the title, which requires registration and paying taxes.
     
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  6. Texas Forever

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    And, one way or the other, there's always a time to sell.
     
  7. Daddy

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    If its risky to have a Montana car registered in aggressive states (VA, GA, etc).. What would happen if borrow and keep a car from an individual who happens to live full time in another state? Can the state do anything regarding that? Surely they won't try to collect taxes or harass me in that situation?
     
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    Don't assume any such thing.
     
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  9. Terence Courtnage

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    As I understand it, the registration rules apply to the car not the owner. Regardless of who operates it, if the car is in Georgia for over 30 days, it is subject to the registration requirements.
     
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  10. Nospinzone

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    The same applies in Massachusetts. Daddy, did you really think the lawmakers and tax collectors are that dumb?
     
  11. vrsurgeon

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    If you go on vacation for a few months and have no intention of residing in a state full time, then you will have absolutely NO Problem driving the car. I.e. if a cop pulls you over and you pop out your Montana Drivers license and an insurance card with your Montana home address, you're going to get a citation and drive away no problem.

    If you go around driving a car with Montana license plates and you pop out a Drivers license with a Georgia or New York license with a completely different address.. it looks fishy because it IS fishy. If dumb enough to have pics on Instagram of the car IN a state NOT Montana for over a year.. that's photo evidence with the DL of not registering a car for 30 days.
     
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  12. cls

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    Funny you mention it, when I drove a car back from Canada, US Customs made me log in to F Chat so they could see posts and read messages to verify the sales price of the car. Having dealt with the Franchise Tax Board in CA about cars, I'm sure they have no problem lookling online at public postings or asking you to (voluntarily) provide additional information by logging in to a forum.
     
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    I think I just bought his 599 GTO. Well one of them.
     
  14. Reacherman1022

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    Guys, if you could, ideally, which state would you register your car?


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  15. Nospinzone

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    Whichever state I live in. If I can't afford to pay the sales tax, the registration fees or the personal property/excise tax, then either I won't buy the car or I'll move to another state where I can, but I won't commit fraud.

    I have to live with myself for the rest of my life. ;)
     
  16. Jean-Pierre Marchand

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    And that, is the correct answer.
     
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  17. CornersWell

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    Except, it's not fraud. It's legally-registered in State 1. So, State 2 has no basis to tax it. Regardless of how long it may "reside" in State 2. At least as far as State 1 is concerned. State 2 says it does. However, State 2 isn't exactly un-biased, is it? It has its' own interests in mind, not State 1's. So, the question is whether State 2 can enact legislation that somehow supersedes State 1's. I still see this as something SCOTUS needs to resolve. I doubt, however, it would grant certiorari.

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  18. Texas Forever

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    You can be right and die wrong. In Texas, sales tax fraud on cars is a criminal misdemeanor. If you're a licensed professional, do you really want to take that heat?
     
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    State 1 assumes you are actually a resident of said state, no? If not, you're scamming.
     
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    And what if a LLC is owner and resident of State 1?
     
  21. G. Pepper

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    I don't have any problem making decisions like this. Just do the right thing. Don't be a schemer, don't be a scammer.
     
  22. Nospinzone

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    Correct, it is legally registered in State 1, and as long as it is garaged in State 1 there is no problem. The problem arises when it is garaged and driven in State 2 and not State 1. So under your scenario the proper thing to do is to register it in both states and pay all taxes due in both State 1 and State 2. I'm sure you would be fine with that, no?
     
  23. Nospinzone

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    That's fine, the problem we're discussing is when the owner lives and garages the car in State 2.
     
  24. F2003-GA

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    No he doesn't he can hold the little in the original owners name with a reassignment executed to him on the back of the title o_O
    Only need a new title for a new tag So if Not driving you can hold the old owners title forever.Plus No when ever be able to find
    out what he exactly owns It will remain a secret to him only
     
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  25. 19633500GT

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    There wouldn’t be crackdowns on this if it wasn’t on the edge of the law. But there are. And it is. So, I say go for it, if you can live with the consequences if and when you’re pulled over and have to explain. It’s not worth driving around looking over your shoulder, or getting a visit from the NYPD (or whomever follows up these infractions).
     

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