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  1. chaussurecowboy

    chaussurecowboy Karting

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    considering taking my red with black Daytona back to original silver with blue, didn't have AC fitted from factory, does anyone know if I can fit a modern AC system to provide some chill for euro trips. car is classiche so clearly want it to be low key from a dash etc perspective
    thanks in advance
     
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    thermal efficiency from old r12 piton pumps vs rotary.... no old expansion valve vs drip dome canister expansion chambers(GM types)...
    these issues and upgrades will allow for a DRAMATIC upturn in BTU capability within the evap/condensor exchange process into an area of perhaps 25,000 btu/hr....
    the fab of a case and venting controls is another issue...
    I have don e this before using old 126 M/B evaps and cvac control valve panels and ECUs since the whole car was 2000.00!
    interior work within the con sole AND DASH WAS SUBCONTRACTED

    THIS JOB IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART AND SHALLOW POCKETBOOK!!!

    Yes its do-able but to do so in a manner where you CANT really tell excepting for a rotary pump-is really quite costly-NO i wont say, as you really won't know till you are done
    I would NOT advise this unless you are really wealthy and want it at any cost
    since you have a cert-which my customer didn't-this IS a consideration as any mod IS A MOD no matter what anybody says...
     
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  4. TTR

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    Most, if not all, products offered by aforementioned outfits may not be quite accommodating for (very) limited space available to introduce a "discreet" retro-fitting to Daytona.
    I've been working on this "problem" of inefficient O.E.M. A/C on Daytonas for awhile and currently have couple of cars in the shop for other work, allowing them to be my "development test mules". Most of the under-dash components will be custom designed/made.
    Have several pre-orders awaiting, including both "test mules"... , just wish I had more time in the day(s) and/or could find quality assistance.
     
  5. 180 Out

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    I have not dealt with the CAA outfit for awhile, but 14 years ago at least it was a very friendly mom & pop operation that would work with you on any custom project. The underhood part is conceptually simple: a compressor, a bracket to mount it, and a belt and pulleys to drive it, and a condenser and drier. It would be unusual to apply the needed hot rodder improvisations to a Classiche car, but it could be done. Presumably the Daytona has space under the dash for an evaporator and ducts. The matter of vents and controls is conceptually simple as well, but one would want a factory look. I personally would not do any of this to a Classiche car. If AC is important, I would sell the car and shop for a car with factory air. But it can be done.
     
  6. chaussurecowboy

    chaussurecowboy Karting

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    thanks everyone . sounds tricky ....
     
  7. TTR

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    #8 TTR, Oct 9, 2014
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    I totally agree with you Mr. Henley, it can be done, but the trick for me (and my clients) is to do it without distracting (too much) from "originality", at least appearance-wise.
    The space for the evaporator and blower motor assembly under the dash is quite limited, which along with couple of other "design flaws(?)" on the O.E. set-up made it very inefficient to begin with and switching non-A/C car to one with factory A/C may not necessarily be a real improvement in itself. If anything, perhaps just added weight. ;)

    Although, I do own/drive vintage cars without A/C here in close proximity of southern California deserts, I do find it convenient and feel that if a car has one, it not only should work, but work well, just like any component or convenience option on any car, vintage or modern.
    And me personally, couldn't care less what others, including corporate entities in northern Italy think about my car(s) and what I do with them. Nor would I pay a penny more for one that has been subjected their "approval". :)
     

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