MIURA, MIURA S, AND MIURA SV?

Andrew:

Ive answered the "3 times" issue in the Miura thread.

BTW, you should ask yourself: can you justify a 250 GTO being 100 times as valuable as a 250 GT?

My point is, you cant use simple logic to ascribe value to these engineering works of art. SV 3 times a much as a P400 (same ratio as their at-new prices)? Im surprised its not more...

Joe
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Cosmetic.


Joe
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Truer words were never spoken! That statement is the KEY to happy Miura ownership. Miura post of the year, Tom


Joe
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I was answering i couldnt justify as i cant afford it , at least for the time being . I guess what ticks me is that i remember when the SV was still cheap ...but if i was in the lovely position to shell a million for a car , id would get an SV because it looks too good.

Still remember when the Cage SVJ was sold for something like $500k ?

 

You wouldn't date a woman with a fat arse and no eyebrows would you?

 

Best one yet +1

 

Miura SV has wider rear arches and no eyebrows on the headlights .

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1972-Lamborghini-Miura-SV-fa-lr.jpg


The Red and yellow one are an SV ( Red one is Joe's car. )

The Orange one is an S ( see eye lashes on the headlights )

Here is a SV engine : http://www.bobileff.com/graphics1/71_miurasv-eng1.jpg
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I'd agree that visually, many changes are subtle. Some more substantial changes, like the use of thicker steel, and chassis bracing, and different suspension geometry, over the lifetime of the model are part of what make the later cars more valuable. These changes were slipstreamed in to the production, so there is no real correlation between "how the car is badged" and "what you get". The only rule of thumb seems to be that the higher the serial number, the more likely it is that many of the upgrades have been incorporated into the car.

I'd also agree that a late S with all the proper upgrades is really just as good of a car as the SV, and the $500,000K price difference is hard to understand. But as Joe points out, there are imbalances everywhere in the collector car market. How is it that a Ferrari PF II Cab costs 1/10 the price of a California Spyder, yet it is essentially the same car? The market does crazy things sometimes.

 

Yes ! The curves of the SV are mindblowing. Its incredible how much more aggressive it makes the car looks like. The P400 and P400 S almost look fragile in comparison.

 

if you dont get it, you dont get it.
its not something that can necessarily be explained - it just is

 

Because of the furor that ensued following the initial showing of the rolling chassis in 1965 the Miura was introduced and subsequently sold to the public without being developed fully ahead of time. The cars tend to be more developed as more were built. The early P400s used .70 mm steel in their chassis. This was increased to 1.0mm after about 125 cars were built. Other improvements were made along the way (the "S" model) until finally with a significant re-design of the suspension and bodywork the SV was introduced. There were even changes made during the SV run to some of the cars (the split-sump). This is a somewhat oversimplified description. Certainly you could benefit from reading the Miura thread although it might take a while.

It is what it is. They're not making them anymore, the SV is recognized by collectors as being the top line incarnation of the "Original Supercar". Most of the differences are subtle but it makes a difference and that's all there is to it.

Over the years I've had the opportunity to service 5 Miuras and became intimately acquainted with one P400S. They are special cars for special people. They aren't for everyone and can tend to display a bit of personality (each car is a bit different). They are however a ticket into a piece of automotive history like no other.

 

Interesting FACT :

the later MIURAS are the most valuables because they were the most improved specimens

whereas

the later COUNTACHES are the least valuables because of the same reason .

and VICE VERSA : early Countaches are expensive because they are crude and plain ...
while early Miura are seen as fragile and undeveloped .

Difficult to understand for an outsider .

 

Lucky for me I like the early Miura's and the early Countach's. At least I'm consistent, if not in keeping with convention. Now, if I could only afford to get an LP400, I'd be all set.

Alberto

 

No predictions Gus.

See the Miura thread for the Miura MSRPs. Youre way off and you really need to study a little before you espouse. SV numbers have been 3 times P400 numbers from point of sale, and it remains the same today.

Gus, who is crying for me that I cant afford a 250 GTO at $18 million, and that its worth 100 times a 250 GT??? And guess what? Im not whining that its a rip-off either. The market is what it is. Get real & deal with it, as it is not determined by you or I. Your thoughts about SV values are your singular opinion, and clearly the market isnt listening. When someone says such-and-such iconic classic car is a rip-off, it suggests that the aforementioned car is too expensive - for them! You dont get the price differentials, you dont get the values - then why bother?

You state you like the looks of the SV. Then I say quit griping and step up and buy one and see for yourself what its like. Im sure you can afford it, right?

If you prefer a P400, thats fine too. By all means please dont let us stop you... if it makes you feel better, OK, yes, its exactly the same car.

Joe
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Gus, if you are going to buy an Miura as an investment dont convert an non SV to an SV. Buy an Miura, S, SV if you love the shapes and the breed of Lamborghinis stunning Miura.

 

Gus, the sarcasm was clearly lost on you.

You know what they say: Action speaks louder than words. In this case, lots of rambling words that have little bearing on reality and no reflection on your true motives.... Im happy to debate the issue right here


Joe
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Joe, IMO He was being saracstic..