Really love the class of my F12; plan on keeping it forever. But I also love the lines and sportscar excitement of my 458. Wouldn't it be nice to have a "regular production" mid-engined V12 with styling somewhere between the Italia and the LaFerrari? Now that Luca is gone, the force behind returning to the front-engined V12 GT (as I understand it at least), do you think it is possible Ferrari might entertain this idea in the future? Or is I that the front-engined V12 is a concept to stay for decades more? Any of you "insiders" have any insight on this? Am I alone in this desire? Thanks.
You would basically revive the testarossa. With things like autonomous driving, software developments, electric/hydrogen engines etc I'm not sure it would make sense to spend resources developing another platform.
I think a lightweight mid-engined car with a very small displacement naturally aspirated super high revving v12 would be quite special. Not so much horsepower so that you can't run through the gears and enjoy the jewel of an engine.
Not a problem, seems like now they're crazy about using vintage names, so I bet something badged TR is coming this way
+1.. I think they would do well to add another car to the lineup keep a frt engine V12 and add a mid engine V12.. or a flat 12...
A smaller displacement V12 with a true 9K redline right behind your ears would be sensational. I bet we would all sign up immediately for that...hell...I would even buy a Cali-T to get one!
Ferrari V12 are mid engine so you know... Mid engine can be in the front or in the back. Mid engine refers to the engine position vs the axles. The 911 for example is rear engine vs the 458 that is mid engine as are the FF and F12...
Sounds like someone should go drive an Aventador..... Doubt Ferrari ever gets back in that segment with a prodution car......and I bet all proucton V12s disappear in 5-6 years.....get ready for the V4 quad turbo w/electric motor generation....YUCK
No need to be pedantic...we all know that. And a Boxer12 is a V12 just 180 degrees, and there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination" either....you know the point I was raising.
It was my understanding that the upcoming modular aluminum space frame will accommodate 8/12 mid/front engine configurations and share many other components between models. Excited?
In the meantime go drive a 488. It's a lot cheaper than the LaFerrari. And you can get one! It's faster than your F12. It's considerably faster than my 458 too. Yes it's a turbo but from the cockpit it might not be bad. Do a back to back and compare with the F12 and let us know
But italiafan said he wants a mid engine V12..... Sure sounds like fun, but my guess is you won't see a rear-mid V12 design outside of the supercar. Two reasons: * Marketing. Ferrari makes a great V8 motor- often the best. But their history is as a V12 company. As such, the V12 is their upper echelon motor. If you want it in the most sporting location then you have to step up to the supercar. This matrix of V12 is the flagship of each line, mounted front-mid and V8 is the "jr" version mounded mid-rear. This is working pretty well for them right now. Why would they risk undercutting this setup? * Emissions/ consumption. 12 cylinders... drinkey drinkey... They will need more efficiency going forward.
IN THE MEANTIME -was stated with the understanding that yes no other regular production mid NA 12 exists or is know to be in planning. It is interesting to note that even with the Special Projects by Ferrari, Ferrari sets limitations on what is allowable. For example when an English Rock and Roller Eric Clapton wanted an SP recreation of his beloved Boxer, a mid rear 12, he wanted a 12 in his one off Ferrari. He got a NA V8 just like all the other Italias. Wait, go out and buy an old Boxer!
It's a crazy fact that F1 has established rear mid engine layout as supreme But Ferrari continues to build a Front mid as their top of the line regular production sports car No other serious sports car manufacturer does that - Kind of silly IMO
I think it is because the historical glory under Ferrari is the front engined V12 cars. F1 car's don't even have windshields... I suspect the cost of dropping the V12 into an Italia frame is just too high and the time and resources to develop are just too dear.
Apologies for being pedantic, but that's incorrect. There is a distinct difference between a 180 degrees V and a Boxer engine. As for a mid-rear engine Ferrari V12 series production car, that would be great but also unlikely to happen.
In a 180 degree flat V12 (which the boxer engine is) the connecting rods for opposing pistons run on the same crank pins. The pistons move together to the right and left. On a true boxer engine they are on separate crank pins and move opposite to each other. When they move towards each other it looks like they are boxing. Hence the word boxer. The Ferrari flat 12 engines are not boxers. The name is misleading. Boxers have to deal with greater windage effects in the crankcase. The Porsche 911 engines are true boxers.
