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Discussion in 'Other Racing' started by tonyh, Mar 30, 2008.
And that is why we should vote him out, not his private life issues. Whoever set him up regarding this silly scandal is no better than Max and should be sued.
But Andreas as you keep telling me, F1 is NOT a sport ... and this is what it not being a sport causes. Nobody cares about the actual racing anymore, just making bucks. That my friend is completely Bernies fault, for turning F1 into a TV show and caring about what viewers think ...
Problem is, that nobody will ever vote him out. This scandal had the best chance, but not even this could do it (which would have been sufficient for pretty much any other public figure).
You're misquoting me slightly:
F1 is a sport. And any sport is entertainment.
People do care about the actual racing. And Bernie didn't turn F1 into a scripted show. But completely bogus rulings and focus on the wrong rules is Mosley's fault. And his fault alone.
You can blame Bernie for a lot of things, particularly for turning F1 into a high snobiety event, taking it away from the average Joes like us. But you can't blame him for the stupid sporting regulations and their interpretations.
We may be luckier than that.
Max is impotent now (Ok, well, not literally, clearly ) so is he really going to puff his chest and act holier than thou again the likes of to McLaren? I HIGHLY doubt what happened last year would happen this year after what Max has done. Also, would be be handing down all these edicts on what is right and is wrong anymore? Max is hanging by a proverbial thread... in the court of public opinion in his eyes. The fact that public opinion is actually highly against him means that Max will perhaps be very very careful about what he chooses to call teams out on in the future. Or, better yet, maybe he will just hide in his office for a while and keep the F out of F1 for the remainder of his term? I hope so.
As for the Luca article, it's so ridiculous that I just have to laugh. It shows that anything that Luca says is solely driven by politics and perhaps money, and based precisely 0% on what he really thinks. Perhaps Ferrari were holding out supporting him in return for special favors for years to come, and Luca didn't get the memo that Max had agreed to those terms prior to him giving that interview.
Can you imagine the hurried and frantic comminque's between Max's people and Lucas people, then the equally hurried and frantic dialogue between Luca's people and the newspaper people? How insane is it to do a complete U-turn on your position so unashamedly and so brazenly. Even a politician would excuse it with some BS like "I mis-spoke" or "the newspaper misquoted/misunderstood me" but what need is there for the appearance of legitimacy in F1? Hell if Max can try to fire Ron Dennis and fine him and MB $100mm over "bringing the sport into disrepute" while he is having Nazi sex romps with 5 hookers, and clings to power under the phrase "I *had* to stay and put it to a corrupt vote, many of the clubs demanded it!" then why should Luca feel that any explanation is owed to the F1 plebs for doing a 180 in all of a few hours?
It's laughable, really laughable. I am starting to think there is more back-room BS going on in F1 than there is in Boxing. Max isn't even shy to admit it - saying yes, he favors Ferrari because they are the only non-UK team, yet failing to explain how UK teams have an advantage that is worthy of being balanced out with administrative favoritism the other way.
Actually I don't think many people do, especially young people. They like the glitz, etc. and have never ever seen a good race.
Bernie played with the qualifying to make it more 'interesting'. I didn't think Max had anything to do with that ... but might be wrong?
Fair comment, but I think Bernie has done as much harm as Max.
From the ever-reliable-for-a-laugh SniffPetrol: http://www.sniffpetrol.com/
More from Sniff:
and a good Schumacher one: http://www.sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/schumachers0806.jpg
Yes I agree Mike, all may be not lost though, even though it appear's to have been a fruitless exercise catching the perverse cockroach, Let's hope he is now pissing in the wind, and the rift with Bernie will be his undoing;
Bernie Ecclestone has warned Max Mosley that his difficulties won't end even though he has comfortably won a vote of confidence from the FIA general assembly.
The Formula 1 ringmaster – a long-time friend and ally of Mosley – had urged the FIA president to stand down in the wake of the scandal triggered by the News of the World's allegations about Mosley's private life.
Although Mosley survived the confidence vote, Ecclestone thinks this will make little difference to the figures who wished to distance themselves from him following the sexual revelations.
"What highlights the problems he may still face is what happened in Monaco," Bernie told the Independent newspaper.
"Prince Albert made it very clear that he did not want him on the grid, and that he would have security around him so that if Max did appear they could not be seen together.
"But I have no doubt that Max will be able to deal with all that."
It gets better and better: Bernie has held an emergency meeting with the teams at Montreal. The subject? Telling the FIA to go **** themselves (presumably when dressed in Gestapo outfits) and setting up a new series - same rules, same teams, same tracks, no FIA.
"In the light of the damage being inflicted to the image of Formula One by Max Mosleys refusal to step aside..."
Could the foregoing quotation from the TimesOnLine article be a gratuitous act of question begging by simply asserting damage without presenting any evidence that damage, in fact, has been done? I can tell you I watched and enjoyed the Grand Prix of Monaco without the slightest lessening of joy for the spectacle. It was a thoroughly satisfying event. The idea that the image of Formula 1 has been damaged is, I think, inaccurate and hardly sufficient cause for widespread gnashing of teeth.
It could well be said that the image of Max Mosley has been damaged. Those who harbor animosity for him have certainly seized upon the occasion to vent their considerable wrath as, I suppose, it is the human condition to search out safe and permissible targets for our bullying instincts; these savage tendencies being considered largely impolitic these days. However, I wonder if all of this outrage isn't a little bit of the Old Paradigm at work, like Rumsfeld's quaint reference to Old Europe. We live in an age where celebrities routinely produce and 'leak' personal sex tapes for the rejuvenation of flagging careers or to launch the aspirations of the Neverwozzers. The major corporations haven't shied from funding or sponsoring their subsequent product offerings. It is quite possible that, handled according to a Hollywood protocol, Max's tape could propel Formula 1 and its associated organizations towards the status of, say, a nation state, if you know what I mean.
Some have put forth that the major corporate sponsors will now withhold their lucre thus depriving the deserving souls of the Formula 1 circuit and beyond. May I point out that these corporations either own or advertise on the major media cable systems that are also the most significant purveyors of pornography to the public? Perhaps I have failed here to honor the double standard in pointing this out, and yet...
Yes but... Perception and reality often differ and many business entities have associations that they would disavow if made public. The question may be if it is now in everone's interest to let this dog die.
this didn't take long.......
Formula One boss wins suit against tabloid
July 25, 2008
Max Mosley, president of the Formula One auto racing federation, won an invasion of privacy suit yesterday in London against a tabloid newspaper that claimed he took part in a Nazi-themed orgy.
High Court judge David Eady ruled the News of the World must pay Mosley $120,000 in damages, plus legal costs of an estimated $1.7 million, for the story claiming Mosley participated in a sadomasochistic sex romp with a Third Reich theme.
Mosley, 68, has acknowledged he participated in an encounter with sex workers in a basement apartment in London, but says it was private and that there were no Nazi overtones.
I hope my case will help deter newspapers in the U.K. from pursuing this type of invasive and salacious journalism, Mosley said.
News of the World editor Colin Myler said the ruling makes the British press less free.
When you move against the king...
Can't keep a good man down, what?
The man is a survivor like him or not. "If only he used his powers for good not..."
Never underestimate the power of a small tactical nuclear weapon, Dave..
Steve, has anyone? Ever? That said it might be what it would take Mad Max Down. P.S. Hamilton profile in the Sunday NYT Magazine. Haven't read t yet but in that it was written by the fashion editor my expectations aren't high.
Bump to this very old thread...
Well, while shaving this morning I heard on the radio that the trial in the Paris courts between Max Mosley and You Tube, announced in September, will be debated in the court today.
Max requests a "right to be forgotten" and asks for erasement of all videos related to what we know.
Had immediately the thought that I should tell Steve (Kraftwerk) about this...
Link below to the September news announcing the trial...
Max Mosley takes European privacy battle against Google to courts in Paris and Germany | The Drum
I've heard of rewriting history, but unwriting it?
Chutzpah thy name is Max.
Make a lot of noise about an old story. Best way to forget about it
Sleeping dogs etc
It seems you actually can unwrite history:
Google ordered to remove Max Mosley orgy pictures | Technology | theguardian.com
So this is what we've come to. If it doesn't appear on google it doesn't exist.
Just shoot me now!
Hahaha just stumbled on this old thread, thanks Nerofer.
Well Mosley you can rant all you want pursing your privacy campaigns, but like it or not, the fact is you got your comeuppance, and it will not be forgotten tough luck.
That is what you get for your pig headiness in thinking you were untouchable.