Manual F430 price coming down

Just FYI that’s a conversion, not factory 6-speed.

The prices on conversions has been coming down, yes. But factory versions have not.

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-ferrari-f430-29/

This will probably go for 180k plus, don't see factory manuals dropping much

 

says 'F1' on the window sticker, and no cavallino on the shift plate. This is obviously a converted car, and says 'no modifications' in the description.

caveat emptor

as for the OP topic, prices have I would say 'softened' on original manuals, for a while there in the last couple years, seemed prices were climbing to an unknown ceiling.

at this point seems they seemed to have settled in the $250k-$300k+ depending on collectability

 

Most cars are softening.

 

Personally I think converted cars are overrated and over time people will realize it probably wasn't the best way to go.

 

LOL, they bury the truth within a wall of useless info hoping a sucker doesn't read through it.

 

Just like bring a trailer.

 

I think if they work and are reliable ... Long term wise it might not be terrible.

There is a mechanical simplicity of it. No f1 pump to deal with. Less complicated overall. So it actually could end up being a way to keep the cars on the road if the f1 systems aren't supported.

Also...

The factory cars are cost prohibitive for many who want to drive.

So if they are proven reliable I can see it being a no harm no foul deal. The younger generations that are into cars aren't really into the collecting aspect. They are the expericen people. So that might change the dynamic of ownership for this segment. My generation loves the 430 and we grew up modyfing every aspect of our cars.


Also look at a 66 Shelby gt350... If it was born automatic and it has a 4 speed in it now... People will pay the same as an automatic car or more. It's usually not penalized.

 

Well it's priced high for an F1 and low for a stick, so maybe they are trying to trick someone

It's also entirely likely the salesperson has no idea what they are doing. The person I bought mine from was not very well versed in these cars.

 

I cant figure out why manual 430s are worth more than 360s. Id much rather a 360

 

There are way fewer F430s so the rarity factors into the price. Supply and demand. And it’s essentially the last (newest) model available with a manual.

 

Ferrari’s and muscle cars aren’t in the same universe when it comes to originality.

But hey, if people love converted Ferrari’s, have at it. It may be a simpler system but from what I’ve seen most of them are hack jobs. Not my problem.

 

So ya... If they are hack jobs I totally agree.

And as far as Ferraris not being muscle cars... I mean this in the most polite and kind manner... You couldn't be further from the truth.

The collectible muscle car world cares if you have the original radiator that is date coded... The original alternator....that the proper amount of overspray is on the floor boards.

The muscle car crowd is the most insane group of people in the collector car world.

Mopar people are the most insane... Followed by the Corvette people... Then I'd say the z28 Camaro people... Then then Shelby guys.

Seriously getting a Corvette top flight awards might be more difficult to get than a platinum award for a Ferrari. The process and the judges are absolutely insufferable.

 

That is interesting. I always thought the 430 is what the 360 should have been when it was launched . Im not a big fan of either Ferrari. I have always thought the 430 was the better of the two. At this point in time, I have changed my opinion of the 458. I would not mind having one, but not willing to part with my 328 to do so. I also think , I believe Pinan started to get things right in the design house when the 458 came out. The 430 and the 360 was a departure of what Ferrari designs have been up until those two models. Once the 458 came out, Ferraris design once again procured that old school emotion that Ive been used to when it comes to Ferraris.

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Not sure how you feel about accidents @irvineboy the minor front end accident on this one could definitely impact the price in your favor

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-ferrari-f430-30/

 

I almost bought a 430 but the test drive left me meh...it was soulless compared to my 355/360 imo. I also think its ugly.

 

True, there's that side of the muscle car market but also there's all the resto-mods and cars for auction with modern wheels and new brakes and as you said transmission conversions. There's pretty much none of that in the Ferrari world.

Maybe converted Ferrari's will hold their values over time and will be sought after. I bet they won't.

 

The 360 is the prettiest one. It doesn’t look a decade like the 430, which looks early 2000s, and the 355 definitely looks 90s. The 360 is timeless. It looks 60s through contemporary. The spyders all look a little off though, up to the 458 which got both body styles right.

 

Well that's simply a numbers game. There are more ss Chevelle's that exist today than we're ever built. They started as malibus.

There are tons of muscle cars. Lots of rotted out junk.

There are also lots of modded Ferraris these days.

A perfect gt350 clone will bring more money than a standard fastback.

A perfect ls6 Chevelle clone will bring more money than a standard Chevelle.

It's very possible that a converted car will bring the same and maybe more than a f1 car.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean masses of people don't like it. (For the record I'd rather have a factory f1 car than a converted 6 speed car)

The other side is look at how few favorite cars were built vs the number of f1s. There is now a sizeable appetite for 3 pedal cars where as it used to be the kiss of death to have it.

 

I agree 360 is prettier, has a more timeless shape. However I never warmed up to the body colored headlights. It doesn’t bother me that much though, I have a 575

when I was looking I was searching gated 360. When an oem gated 430 presented itself, I jumped at the opportunity and never looked back.

even though 360 is prettier, 430 is still a looker!
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I was one of the few that had a 430 manual. Couldn’t give it away when I had it for sale in ‘09-‘10. Finally sold it. Now it seems everyone wants one.
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I think your examples are proving my point, the muscle car market is different than the Ferrari market.

But hey, I accept the notion that converted Ferrari's might be worth more than F1 cars at some point in the future. As you said, things change over time. F1 used to be the thing people want, now it's original gated shifter cars.

But one thing has never, ever changed in the Ferrari market, originality is king. And I say that won't ever change. If I'm proven wrong in the future, so be it.

 

For sure and none of us have a crystal ball.

Also I said that they may not be terrible. I'm not banking that they will be worth somewhere in-between an f1 and a factory 3 pedal car. I am admitting that typically mods ruin the value of a car especially a Ferrari however this mod is clearly welcomed by the masses and is part of a trend that people support wildly ("save the manuals")

Yes in decades past... Modded Ferraris were a big negative. I think now is different. The 430 appeals to my generation (I have zero idea how old you are so I might be making a REALLY DUMB POINT HERE) which as mentioned before grew up modyfing everything on their mustangs or honda/Nissan/acura or if wealthy enough e36. Bumper... Seats... Wings... Gauges... Engines... Suspension... Brakes... Chassis bracing... Badging... Tail lights... Everything...

So I think the base of buyers will be MORE open to it than generations past...

And the biggest thing...

They made nearly 17k 430s. They aren't exactly rare.

Also this mod emulates a rare and desirable factory option. It's not like it's a body kit or something. It is supposed to look as factory as possible... So I think that may weigh into it.


Again... I'd rather have the factory car. But I'm an outsider in my generation. I want factory correct.

 

The only comparable situation I can think of in Ferrari history was Daytona Spiders. They couldn't give them away when new but convertibles came back in style in later and lots of coupes were converted. The quality varied. As I recall, Straman conversions were well regarded and sold for a premium to coupes. However, original spiders were/are worth many times more than a conversion. Will 430s follow the same path? Since I have owned a 3 pedal 430 from new, I hope so!

Dave