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  1. GrigioGuy

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    So you think that the FIA dont manipulate the way the race season goes then mr blah blah blah?
    So you tell me if you would, were i said Mclaren did not do wrong?? I will give you a minute while you try to find that bit;)
    The FIA are clearly out to manipulate race results one way or another yet again with there after race gamesIMO.
     
  3. barbazza

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    am i the only one who thinks the penalty was too harsh? I would've just put lewis back at 4th spot and given trulli his podium. FIA's punishments of late seem extra harsh IMO.
     
  6. zero

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    My point exactly with my previous post. The FIA messing with the results and now potentially the teams.
     
  7. jk0001

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    As if to confirm that it was indeed Ron who was secretly filming Max getting his ass whipped by a bunch of Nazi hos.
     
  9. GrigioGuy

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    When does McLaren's double secret probation for the 07 stuff end? Are they past that already?
     
  10. zero

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    The more i hear that, the more i am beginning to believe it...
     
  11. Fast_ian

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    Donning flamesuit........

    Firstly, the whole darn mess is yet another black eye for the sport, and should never have happened.

    However, this decision came from the race stewards - Who are made up as follows:

    Mad Max is "officially" off the hook on this one - Same as he said he's got no input into the great diffuser hearing coming up soon. OK, we know he's a kinky, back stabbing *********, but I don't believe he influenced this hearing...... [Let the flames begin :)]

    Cheers,
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  12. kraftwerk

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    No need for flames, at least from me. But. The very fact that Max survived his little sex scandal unscathed (who else but Bill Clinton would've survived that?) indicates to me that his power base is immense and FIA will pretty much dance to his tune.
     
  14. barbazza

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    I don't know Ian. I'd like to believe that but he's such a worm. I really wish someone would find a way to get rid of him. He's done so much harm to the sport that it's hard not to believe things are being manipulated as long as he's at the helm.

    And no need for a flamesuit. The main flamer got a time-out remember? ;)
     
  15. tessmania

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    So what you are saying is whenever the stewards listen to the radios and find out the facts (as they should have done on the day) they should say forget about it? I'm no fan of the FIA as you will know if you look at my posts but i don't buy the nonsense that everyone in the british media and further afield tells you. Poor mclaren, poor Lewis the FIA are against them cos they are in Ferraris pocket. He did wrong. HAD to be punished but the stewards should be more on the ball.
     
  16. Fast_ian

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    Thankyou!
    +1 Absolutely agree.

    The FIA delegates appear to be totally under his control - In an automotive organization where the Sengala delegate (who's country has maybe three cars and a bunch of donkeys) carries as much weight as the USA corruption *must* exist.

    However, my point is that the stewards, with Charlie in charge, do still maintain their independence - Mad Max wasn't in the hearing and is (supposedly) nothing to do with such hearings. Charlie may be one of the few guys left that I still respect and who wants to do "the right thing" IMHO.

    Cheers,
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  17. jk0001

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    I wonder if his sponsers will pull the plug on him, in these tough economic times sponsers can be fickel.
     
  18. Fast_ian

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    :D

    Anyone know the length of his timeout?
     
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    Hopefully till October :D
     
  20. JoeGuitar

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    They do certainly seem to be looking for any excuse possible. However, you have to admit that he is still a very marketable figure in the sport (regardless of your perceptions of him as a driver.)
     
  21. RP

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    At the first hearing following the Australian Grand Prix the Stewards did not have the benefit of the radio exchanges between driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and his Team Vodafone McLaren Mercedes nor did they have access to the comments to the Media given by Lewis Hamilton immediately after the end of the race.

    From the video recordings available to the Stewards during the hearing it appeared that Jarno Trulli's car left the track and car No 1 moved into third place. It then appeared that Trulli overtook Hamilton to regain third place, which at the time was prohibited as it was during the Safety Car period.

    During the hearing, held approximately one hour after the end of the race, the Stewards and the Race Director questioned Lewis Hamilton and his Team Manager David Ryan specifically about whether there had been an instruction given to Hamilton to allow Trulli to overtake.

    Both the driver and the Team Manager stated that no such instruction had been given. The Race Director specifically asked Hamilton whether he had consciously allowed Trulli to overtake. Hamilton insisted that he had not done so.

    The new elements presented to the Stewards several days after the 2009 Australian Grand Prix which led to the reconvened Stewards Meeting clearly show that:

    a. Immediately after the race and before Lewis Hamilton attended the Stewards Meeting he gave an interview to the Media where he clearly stated that the Team had told him to let Trulli pass.

    b. Furthermore, the radio exchanges between the driver and the Team contain two explicit orders from the Team to let the Toyota pass.

    The Stewards, having learned about the radio exchanges and the Media interview, felt strongly that they had been misled by the driver and his Team Manager which led to Jarno Trulli being unfairly penalised and Lewis Hamilton gaining third place.
     
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    Good point, he is still marketable. Unlike some of our NFL players who recently were released from prison.
     
  23. Fast_ian

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    After re-reading the FIA release, I suspect that Charlie was pi$$ed - Say one thing to the press (first) then go to the stewards and say something else. Then listen to the radio transcripts and get a different tale - Charlie is, IMHO, one of the few straight shooters left and he felt he'd been "deliberately misled" - *That* will get you a penalty.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  24. zero

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    So when did i say that then?? Only someone stupid would say that. Oh you said that:D
     
  25. Far Out

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    Sounds pretty clear to me, if the above is true, the penalty is absolutely justified. Don't lie to the Stewards, period.


    To those who complain about the race results being changed after the flag drops: There are several issues like the above that can only be resolved after the race when the Stewards can speak to everyone and gather all documents. If the results were fixed forever after the race, it would effectively mean that cheating is allowed as long as more than a few minutes are needed to prove it. That can't be the solution. I'd rather complain about those who don't play by the rules than about those who enforce them...
     

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