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Let's talk spark plugs

Discussion in '308/328' started by Perfusion, Jan 1, 2007.

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  1. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

    Oct 16, 2004
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    Aaron
    I had a tune-up a few months ago to cure an ill-idling-once-hot 308GT4. Both ignition and carbs were adjusted. The car runs beautifully now, hot or cold. I run NGK BP5ES plugs. My urge to "tinker" is rearing its ugly head, and I'm wondering - since most people I've run across run colder plugs - what would be the overall net effect, if any, if I simply swapped out my BP5s for BP6s (assume no other changes)?

    What difference can I expect to see from 1 step colder plugs? Plugs are cheap - I know I could just find out for myself, but what I'm trying to avoid is some concept (still unbeknownst to me, perhaps) where I swap the plugs, hate the result, swap back, and realize that something has changed (for the negative).

    Know whatta mean?
     
  2. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    Sep 30, 2003
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    i use the NGKBP6ES plugs as my "standard" carb 308 plug. i have no emissions stuff to worry about and run 55 idle and 135 main jets.

    i have used the BP5ES plugs, but they only seem to work well on cars that are runing rich and not in a proper state of tune due to wear, carb float heights or carb sync bieng off.

    this is just what i have seen and learned from my 4 carb 308s. i am not saying the 5 heat range is unsafe. i tested this theory on one of my old 308s by running the BP6ES plugs. plugs were near text book perfect when removed and read. i then installed a set of 8 BP5ES plugs. water temps were higher under load, and oil temps started to rise. not enough to cause a mechanical failure, but enough to notice under load from the " normal " 6 heat range.

    i think the carb cars had a heat range of 7 for the OEM / emissions equipped cars.
     
  3. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

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    Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, but wouldn't the 5 heat range be better from an emissions standpoint? I.e., hotter = more complete combustion and thus less tailpipe output?
     
  4. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

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    A "hotter" plug is a bit longer and sticks into the fire a bit more, a colder plug a bit shorter and doesn't. You want it hot enough not to soot-up and cold enough not to blister. The general rule is you want to run the coldest plug you can with a soot problem. In therory a colder plug will let you run a bit lower octane if you are right on the edge. I've never heard of any of the things reaper says he had.
     
  5. Brian Harper

    Brian Harper F1 Rookie
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    Expanding on what mk e says, the plug heat range is an indication on how well the ceramic insulator can use the metal jacket as a heat sink. The different amounts of allowed heat dissappation (sp?) are so the plug stays right in the sweet spot - hot enough for no oil fouling, no soot, cool enough that it doesn't self-destruct or become hot enough to start the fire without a spark. Probably you can can go a number either way from the right selection and still be fine, (especially since you pull your plugs every 500 miles to look at them! :) )

    Running a cooler plug alone should not affect the engine oil/water temperature unless you have something else going on (detonation or fouling, for example).
     
  6. FasterIsBetter

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    I ran NGK BP6ESs in my '84 Mondial and they performed beautifully. Plenty of power, ran clean, no detonation, never a problem.
     
  7. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

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    Excellent explanations from all... I guess I'll give the 6s a try and see how she goes. There's not anything really *wrong* with the way my car runs right now, as I mentioned earlier, but I've just got the "tinkering" bug. Also, whenever I've mentioned to those "in the know" that I run BP5s in my car, their response is almost always something to the effect of, "FIVES?!?!? Aren't those a little *hot*???" So I can't help but wonder if 6s might not be better for the car overall....
     
  8. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

    Feb 15, 2001
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    I run 5's and never had a problem. They burn very clean and I don't have any temp issues. My WT runs at 170* as does my oil temp. Car pulls great and I have no problems at slow speeds in 5th gear. I ran 6's once and after a while they would load up a foul. With cold starting without a choke they tended to foul and never come back until you pulled them and dried them up. No problem with the 5's. Also run the timing at 7* BTDC at 1000rpm. REsister wires and black extenders. So if you are running good with the 5's I'd stop worrying about tinkering and get out there and DRIVE. Had a super day today in NY and had fun out on the country roads. Enjoy the ride
     
  9. miketuason

    miketuason F1 World Champ
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    Should I use the same thing for my 84 308 QV?
     
  10. Shark49

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    Not sure if this helps but i put one step hotter plugs in my '86 mondial3.2 and i noticed that it idles a little higher and now pops and backfires on occaison when i shut it down. Sorry, but not able to see what brand and number i used.
     

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