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Left-hand-drive Testa Rossas

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Smiles, Feb 10, 2007.

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  1. Smiles

    Smiles F1 World Champ
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    I wanted to clear up a misconception.

    Some F-Chat members seem to automatically assume that any picture of a left-hand-drive Testa Rossa is a picture of a replica. The truth is that there were a good number of LHD Testa Rossas.

    My list of car is probably inaccurate and incomplete, but it includes:
    0710
    0716
    0718
    0722
    0726
    0730
    0736
    0746
    0752
    0754

    If anyone would like to add or subtract cars from this list, please do.
    If anyone has pictures of the above cars, please post them so that everyone can enjoy seeing real LHD Testa Rossas.
    I'd also love to hear personal stories of any of these cars.

    --Matt
     
  2. kevfla

    kevfla Formula 3

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    My understanding of the differences is that the right-hand drive cars were Scuderia Ferrari team cars, the left-hand models were cars sold to private teams. Maybe an overly simplistic explanation...

    KevFla
     
  3. Anteriore

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    0710
    0714
    0716
    0718
    0720
    0722
    0724
    0730
    0732
    0734
    0736
    0738
    0742
    0748
    0752
    0754
    0756
    0758

    (all 1958 customer cars)
     
  4. Anteriore

    Anteriore Formula Junior

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    Factory TR's were RHD in most occasions. However: 0726 and 0728 were both factory cars and are both LHD.
     
  5. Smiles

    Smiles F1 World Champ
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    #5 Smiles, Feb 12, 2007
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    How about this picture? Was this an actual car (or specific serial number), or did the artist who created the poster take some liberties?
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  6. tongascrew

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    0750 also a customer car with LHD. car sent to south america and crashed/destroyed. later broken up for parts. engine later installed in 0710 and later in 0718. tongascrew george
     
  7. Anteriore

    Anteriore Formula Junior

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    S/n 0750TR was never a completed car. This s/n was assigned to a 250 TR engine and sold to John von Neumann to be used as a spare for his 0710TR. There is a recreation somewhere using s/n 0750TR, but that one has nothing to do with an original factory built car.
     
  8. tongascrew

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    i know the Finn book has errors and i guess this is one if 0750 was only a spare engine. let me look into his a little more and see what i can find. thanks for the post. tongascrew george
     
  9. tongascrew

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    in Cavallion #155 there is a letter stating that 0750 was only an engine for Von Neuman and not a complete car. Maybe yes,maybe no. i have two problems with this letter. no person signed it which is unusual for the Classiche program. Secondly as far as i know there is no Maserati Ferrari Classiche program. there is a Ferrari Classiche Program. i believe the Orsi family has there own program ongoing for Maserati.now let's go back to 0625TRC delivered to Von Neuman at the factory in early 1957 and painted silver at his request. He competed in several European hill climbs [the original build sheets show this car as a 500TR]. VonNeuman then had the car shipped to Mexico and later to the USA.In 1958 the 625 engine was replaced with a 860 and the 625 engine later went into 0708 a 500TRC which had been sold with several of Von Neuman"s other Ferraris to Jack Nethercutt in 1959. A V12 was installed in 0625 by VonNeuman in 1959 which may or may not have been 0750. All of Von Neuman's TR250 cars and equipment went to Nethercutt in the 1959 sale[Von Neuman was having serious financial problems] but there is no mention of a 250 TR engine and fitting a 250 engine into a 500/625 TRC chassis would not have been an easy task. 0625 was sold in 1962, a Ford V8 installed and in the 1980s a 250GT engine #0769 was installed.Now in the 1970s Joel Finn located TR0750 engine and installed it in TR0710 which he had gotten from Nethercutt who had gotten it in the multi car deal from VonNeuman.Several sources have traced a 250TR #0750 to Venezuela in 1959 where it was raced my a man named Chemiru at the Cuban GP where the car was crashed and Mr Chemiru was killed. The story goes that the engine was all that was salvagable from the crash and was eventually locaated by Joel Finn. The ferrari factory was known to be loose and easy with build/chassis numbers in the 1950s particularly when it came to clients from South Am,erica who often delt in cash transactions. My records for the car #0570 only go up to 1988 when it was for sale by Prancing Horse Farm. these histories get so complicated I hope i haven't crossed up somewhere. If anyone out there can shed further light on this confusing story, please let's hear from you. tongascrew george
     
  10. MJarrettR

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    0750TR was an ENGINE ONLY, never a complete car, as stated earlier. No credible evidence has ever shown otherwise. Confirmed once again, as stated earlier, in a letter to Bruce Meyer from the Factory that was printed in Cavallino #155 p7. Also, von Neumann's 625TRC was s/n 0672MDTR and NOT 0625. The 625TRC was a direct evolution of the 500TRC, not the 500TR. John von Neumann owned both 625TRCs, but only 0672MDTR ever received the 250TR engine s/n 0750TR.

    Finn did NOT get 0710TR from Nethercutt, there were many owners in between.
    The car Ettore Chimeri (note spelling) fatally crashed in the 1960 Cuban Grand Prix (not 1959) was 0726TR, NOT 0750TR (since it was never a complete car!). 0726TR was completely destroyed in the crash.

    Any car claiming to have chassis 0750TR in the late 1980s (how nice of it to turn up when the prices were going crazy???!) was a replica.

    -Jarrett
     
  11. tongascrew

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    thanks for the info. i think you may right that there may be someone out there who is planning to bring a 0750 car onto the market. there is still something not quite right about the letter to Mr Meyer in Cavallino #155 as i mentioned in my previous post.where did Finn and the authors of " Ferrari, Fifty Years on the Track" get there info that 0750 was a completed car etc?. thanks also for the info on Chemeri. tongascrew george
     
  12. tongascrew

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    hi it's me again. the history of VonNeumans cars is so confusing. he seems to have bought almost any car he could talk ferrari out of. if you have any info that can shed some light on his dealibgs with Ferrari we would like very much to hear. thanks tongascrew george
     
  13. maserich

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    I have been told 0716 was a factory works entry in the Buenos Aires 1000km raceon 26 Jan. 1958.
    Does that mean it was a factory race car?
    It was completed in Dec. 1957 according to the build sheet.
    Does anyone have any images of it in South America?
    Rich
     

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