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Discussion in 'Italy' started by Clubsport78, Feb 28, 2006.

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  1. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    Beh anche il tuo collega Mauro Forghieri sta progettando una macchina ad alte prestazioni con un motore a reazione si chiama MF1.Anche se è da un pò che non ne sento parlare...
     
  2. flyingboa

    flyingboa Formula 3

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    vORREI TANTO POTER DIRE DI ESSERE UN COLLEGA DI FORGHIERI, MA MANTENIAMO IL SENSO DELLE PROPORZIONI...
    CIAO
    EUGENIO
     
  3. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    Elicotteri? Agusta?
    Pensa che io ho fatto il militare nell Aviazione dell'Esercito (basco blu), a Viterbo, dove, se eccettuiamo i Boeing CH47 a doppia pala, erano tutti Agusta-Bell.
    Dal 109 al 129 Mangusta, dai 204 ai 205, pieni fino ai capelli: e non dimenticherò mai il mese passato al poligono di Perdasdefogu in Sardegna.
    Che poi io ero nell'unico reparto dell'AVES in cui utilizzavamo aerei anzichè elicotteri: dai vecchi SM1019 al Dornier 228-212, fino al bellissimo Piaggio P180.
     
  4. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    A parte che il Forza Juve è criticabilissimo, ma è un mio punto di vista...!
    Scherzo, e benvenuto tra noi!
    Oh, non ti stupire se a Padova ci sono tante Porsche: avete la sede di Porsche Italia...
     
  5. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    Si lo so ci sono passato con mio fratello un mesetto fa per vedere se poteva esserci la 997 gt3 ma niente da fare!
    La settimana scorsa i giornalisti sul circuito di Adria hanno provato la gt3... gira voce che due macchine siano andate distrutte...!!
    Comunque è l'unica Porsche che mi comprerei.
    Grazie del benvenuto
     
  6. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    Distrutte? Interessante...
    Chiederò conferma.
    Eh no, non è la sola che mi comprerei: dopo aver provato la Carrera GT...
     
  7. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    Non ho capito se distrutte o fortemente incidentate... comunque la botta c'è stata! Bel mezzo la carrera gt ma non ne ho mai vista una in movimento...
     
  8. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    Non ho avuto conferme certe ma sembra ci sia stato un danneggiamento che ha interessato almeno una vettura.
     
  9. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Sorry for the english but this was posted on Atlas. Is it true or myth?

    Best

    I have just received the following news from the leading Italian Maserati and Ferrari sports-racing car authority, Franco Lombardi. It details the effective 'execution' by the Italian legal system of a Maserati (not entirely 'real') which nonetheless had been painstakingly reassembled around surviving provenly original, in-period components such as one of only three known genuine 350S engine - all now lost to posterity...


    MASERATIS MELTED DOWN: A SHATTERING EXAMPLE OF ITALIAN JUSTICE

    By order of an Italian Court, two reconstructed Maserati sports-racing cars from the 1950s - an A6GCS and a 350S – have been delivered by the Police to a local scrapyard to be crushed into cubes for recycling.

    No, this is not a joke.

    It happened on March 22nd 2006 in obedience to a Court order made in Ferrara, Italy. Furthermore, in full execution of that order, the two cubes were then melted in a foundry furnace; just to be on the safe side and because, as we all know, fire is the safest way to deal with sin.

    This story began six years ago with a police operation which was carried out simultaneously in 17 different locations, including restorers, body shops, and private garages and houses. The whole operation was launched after months of intelligence investigation, ’phone tapping, etc. (more or less the sort of effort which might have been better justified if cracking down on the Medellin Cartel).

    Let me just add that – at least in this case – there was no fraud or malicious representation involved and that this Operation was not provoked by any automobile manufacturer.

    In fact, it seems that Maserati – one of the 17 locations raided that morning – was particularly excited by the Police’s unexpected visit to inspect the activities of the Registro Maserati, located in Via Ciro Menotti 322, Modena.

    It would be interesting to discuss this judicial initiative of six years ago and its possible consequences, but right now we can only add that no significant penal consequence has been produced (or probably will ever result) from these investigations. On the other hand, nobody will even know what the final cost will be for the Italian taxpayer, or whether any other criminal-policy priorities might have been better tackled with that kind of effort.

    What is abundantly relevant is that the Italian Judges tend now to interpret the existing legal provisions for Brand Protection in the sense that a copy of a classic automobile could potentially be an infringement of that Code.

    Therefore, while the replica business is booming world-wide, this activity – and I mean bona fide activity – can be persecuted in Italy even to the extent of confiscation – and destruction! - of the reproduced car.

    This kind of reasoning leads to regarding such replicas in exactly the same manner as the law regards the thousand of Louis Vuitton fake purses sold daily by hordes of immigrants on all the squares and the beaches of the western world.

    Returning to the events of March 22nd, I must add that a lack of formal communication of the order of the Court left it impossible for the cars’ owner to present any legal defence which might have prevent their destruction.

    This is an unfortunate circumstance (leaving the door open for further litigation for damages against the Judicial Administration), but here I will concentrate upon the general issue.

    Personally, I know no detail concerning the A6GCS involved in this case, but I do know of the 350S which had been reconstructed by Maurizio Grazzi of Ferrara.

    I have no evidence to support his claim of originality for his chassis – apparently found in Modena – but I know that the aluminium body of that car had been correctly made by a well-known body specialist, Elis Garuti, of Rubiera. Of greater concern, Mr. Grazzi had patiently collected ORIGINAL major and minor components for this car with fastidious perseverance.

    The ORIGINAL engine came from the Orsi firm (former owners of the Maserati company), the transaxle from the Parravano/Sorrell parts collection via David Cottingham in the UK. Suspensions, brakes, wheels, tanks, steering and several other components employed in the car’s re-assembly were all original.

    We may still accept that an ensemble of original factory-made, in-period components does not create an original car.

    Of course this I accept, but in any case the seizure would have been probably sufficient to enact the law.

    While awaiting further investigation and verification, confiscation of the car would have been more than sufficient, perhaps making an order to entrust the car to a Museum, a University or to any other Public Institution as a “didactic copy”.

    In fact, only three original Maserati 350S dry-sump sports-racing car engines were made by the Factory in period.

    If I recall correctly, one was broken on the test bench while being run by Ermanno Cozza – now in charge of the Maserati archives (and he still shows the pain of this memory whenever he recalls that episode).

    One of the other two original 350S engines is in the USA, installed in chassis number 3502 … and the third was in Grazzi’s now destroyed car.

    Nice shot! One of the only two surviving genuine Maserati-made engines of this historic type has been obliterated by the machinations of the Italian legal system - the only one which had survived at all this side of the Ocean.

    Using laws more apt to deal with tons of fake Chinese watches, the Judges have ensured there might be no further possibility of seeing a rare set of mechanical parts of high technical and historical significance.

    Well done!

    Let me add that the man in charge of the crushing machine not only refused to operate it but in fact left his workplace, leaving one of his young assistants to do the job. I guess he might be still asking if some common sense is left anywhere in ‘modern Italy’.

    While this happens in Italy, at International level a car with supposed identity 3503 is offered for sale as the real thing, having presumably a Maserati 3500GT shortened chassis, in left-hand-drive form, and only vaguely resembling the original car.

    I do not intend to add any further comment.

    I can only be troubled by the opinion of Italian justice that enthusiasts, historians and car collectors world-wide might now form. I am afraid not a good one. And let me add that it is with a strong sense of bitterness that I am broadcasting this sad and foolish story.

    Franco Lombardi
     
  10. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    I hope this is not true Napolis... i hope
    Qualcuno ha sentito questa storia? io no
     
  11. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    Never heard of this story before. I also hope it isn't true.

    No, mai sentita prima. E anche io spero tanto non sia vera...
     
  12. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    All i know is that the Italian Law sometimes sucks.
     
  13. flyingboa

    flyingboa Formula 3

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    Jim,
    If it were not for the source (well known and respected as far as I know), I'd say that chances for that to happen in Italy are really minimal.
    Before destroying something unique as such cars, there are so many degrees of justice that I find unbelievable the reported outcome.
    Add to that that no mention was made on Italian press or TV.
    JMHO.
    Ciao
    Eugenio
     
  14. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    Si hai ragione Eugenio, nessuna rivista o quotidiano parla di questo fatto avvenuto più di una settimana fa!

    Tridente 78: tu che di supercar te ne intendi sai se per caso c'è qualche mc laren f1 in Italia?
     
  15. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    Beh, me ne intendo... E' un parolone!

    In ogni caso, almeno una c'è, e fa parte della collezione Garnerone.
    Collezione che è un qualcosa di SCANDALOSO: sembra l'emanazione italiana del Sultano del Brunei, solo molto meno pacchiano e più votato alle macchine estreme.
     
  16. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    Ti spiego, qualche persona che conosco dice di aver visto la f1 in zona Asolo non molto distante da casa mia... e gira voce che la usi come daily driver!!!!
    Io facccio fatica a crederci perchè la frizione dura 5000km. Ritengo più probabile che sia una slr.
    Ciao
     
  17. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    Lo penso anche io.
    Che poi secondo me la SLR è una macchina da autentici incapaci.
    Vabbè che va forte, però tutto quel lusso, il cambio automatico... Mille volte meglio la "vecchia" CLK GTR... Che aveva anch'essa un sequenziale (oh, è più forte di me, li odio!), però era molto più selvaggia!
     
  18. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    Già già la slr è una 911 turbo al cubo... Certo questo Garnerone è un bel tipo ma non riesco a trovare foto del suo garage tu ne hai qualcuna?
    Ogni tanto faccio un giro su www.autosalon-singen.de spero che regali qualche macchina ma per ora niente...
     
  19. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    Nessuna. Da quel che so, è grande amico dei Reali di Savoia, è l'inventore dell'avvisatore acustico, o se preferisci la sirena, per cui ti lascio immaginare i soldi che può avere...
    Anni fa ha ammazzato un pedone con la sua Bugatti EB110.
    Gira per il centro di Torino con la sua MC12 e la usa come fosse una Panda.
     
  20. Christian.Fr

    Christian.Fr Two Time F1 World Champ

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    i put sme videos, special italians cars ferrari, MC12 in showroom
    told me if the link is ok.
     
  21. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    Very good videos! I liked them!!
    Meritano un'occhiata...
     
  22. Christian.Fr

    Christian.Fr Two Time F1 World Champ

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    strange? you are the only one who post a good mention, i tried to do a pleasure for people...so i you seen MC12 and Bugatti incredible no?
     
  23. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    Che palle la Ferrari che non vince... tra l'altro Alonso(lo stronzo) mi sta antipatico.. preferisco Kimi
    Ciao tridente ma qui di italiani in patria che postano siamo solo noi?
    Tu che macchina guidi?
     
  24. Clubsport78

    Clubsport78 Formula 3

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    A parte che Raikkonen mi sembra troppo freddo, tipico finlandese, però almeno non è presuntuoso come Schumi o Alonso... Preferisco un latino come Montoya, anche se il mio preferito resta sempre Mansell, perchè era un autentico pazzo!!!

    Beh, immagino possa farti piacere, visto il tuo nick: nonostante io lavori per una concessionaria Toyota, guido, e ne vado fiero, una 147 1.9 JTD Multijet 140 CV del 2005.
    La cambierei solo per un'altra Alfa: o la GT, oppure, se proprio mi voglio togliere uno sfizio, la Brera, che è un qualcosa di meraviglioso.
    In più ho una Punto prima serie, 170.000 km, che va che è una bellezza: alla faccia di chi denigra il prodotto italiano...
     
  25. mikigta

    mikigta Formula Junior

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    guarda a casa mia su 4 macchine 3 sono italiane (alfa gt, sportwagon 156, ypsilon) posso dirti che la gt 1.9 è una bomba oltre che essere la più bella coupe.
    Prima di acquistare la y ero interessato alla prius, ne avete vendute parecchie?
    Toyota sui common rail è ai livelli di gruppo fiat o le manca ancora qualcosa?
    Ciao
     

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