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Koenig Specials Testarossa Values

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  1. KECars

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    Personally I really like cars that are either tastefully mechanically modified (like a Koenig Specials TR w/o the crazy interiors) or a very well cared for (possibly Classiche Certified) car. My question is certainly the well cared for stock piece garners favorable pricing, but once modified is a KS TR. relegated to a permanent valuation hit or doomed to never appreciate as it might otherwise?

    Car hunting so looking to be educated. Not solely buying for an investment, but don’t want to get my head knocked off either. Thank you any input in advance.
     
  2. turbo-joe

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    would b good if you could fill out your profile so we know where are you from and what is your technical experience

    a car with modified engine never will get a classiche certification
     
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    Sure, I understand if the car is not authenticated as original it will not get the certification. What I meant to say is I admire cars that fit that bill or cars that are tastefully modified versions.

    Makes sense that Ferrari or a dealership does not want to support a modified car.

    I am a decent wrench, but what is nice is I have 2 options for independent shops to provide service.

    That said what I would like feedback on is the value proposition for the KS TRs. Would these car's be viewed as permanent outcasts (never to be considered as having much value) or possibly under-appreciated for what they are.
     
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    #4 turbo-joe, Mar 12, 2022
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    hello kelly,
    thank you for updating your profile.

    koenig did several steps of modification for the TR-family. please have a look here:
    https://www.koenig-specials.com/ferrari/Ferrari neu.htm

    the main idea from koenig at that time has been great. but the processing of those ideas always done in a hurry. he commissioned to many other garages/mechanics ( I know meanwhile some ) with his ideas and set them under time pressure. but also hired own technicians, payed them very well. but there has been always the time pressure to finish a car. no one was the same as the one built before. and not all has been documented. unfortunately willi koenig died and short time later also walter keonig and now only his second son, oliver, is doing some business with koenig specials, but not produicing anymore, only selling what there is still in stock. also not developing anymore. and it is very hard to get some info about cars they modified.
    the engine modification has been done ( so turbocharger ) also by several different companies, by koenig itself or in the near of him and nearby workshops and also form albrecht in austria, also working with novitech. but all 3 are totally different.

    I remember the time about 1985 to 1990 when I have been at several ferrari meetings at race tracks. mostly willi koenig has been there with his son walter with there 365 BB race car and with at TR with 2 turbo chargers. this car has always been the fastest on the track on a straight. it seems the other have been parking. but the first corner the others have been near him, sometimes thay passed him. but koenig both cars he bring in a truck, not driving to the event on own axle.

    if such a KS car is done right later by the owner ( weakest part is the gearbox, clutch, the electric wires for the upgrade - no documentation ), then of course as all original TR´s have the fusebox, the AC then it will be a reliable car. but until then the owner has to spend much money for the stronger parts and may be also for the labor if he can not do by himself.

    I think if once such a KS car is done as it has to be then it should be much more worth than a normal TR with a lot of miles. I would say a good and well done KS car is worth the same as a very low mileage TR. even it is put much more money in. but also if such a KS car is done right and one would like to have a reliable KS car ( the original never have been reliable ) and all is documented right it is a question of how much the buyer would like to pay and also for how much the seller would like to sale.
    for example: I would not sell my competition as it is just now ( still working on the mapping for the ignition and injection ) below 280.000 €. included a complete overhauled gearbox with all the expensive stronger parts, a 3rd gearbox dismanteled but also with the stronger parts and a second to rebuilt engine.

    hope this will help you a little?


    if original I agree, but if done all then the value is much higher
     
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    That does help quite a bit. I am working on something and will know in a week or so. Isn’t your KSTR red with a wing and a narrow body car?
    Regards
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    exactly, that is it
    the only one koenig made with narrow body and max horsepower/torque
    it was once koenigs test car
     
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    Very cool! The Max power rating was the 1000hp correct? I prefer the narrow body look over the added rear flared fenders/wheel wells just looks more meant to be that way IMO.
     
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    the wider body had also wider intercoolers left and right
     
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    Do you feel like the intercoolers in the narrow body car is adequate or limiting?
     
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    I go until now up to 1,3 bar and have no problem with too warm air. never tested a wide body with so much boost so can not compare. but I think with larger intercoolers you may need a little less boost for the same power.
     

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