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K40/Laser Jammer install pictures???

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  1. mr_bock

    mr_bock Formula 3

    Oct 27, 2006
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    Does anyone have the K40 installed and would post some pictures that show how the sensors are installed (stealth). I have a 2001 360 and the new Bluetooth K40 and Laser Jammer and not sure just where to mount the parts.

    Any information would be most appreciated!!!!! Thanks!!!!!
     
  2. Modenafan

    Modenafan F1 World Champ
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    I had the k40 in my last 360. You might want to pm k-diddy, he did the install for me and it was totally stealth.
     
  3. mr_bock

    mr_bock Formula 3

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    Bump...

    Nobody willing to share pictures or install description????? No reply or anything :-(
     
  4. shawsan

    shawsan Formula 3

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    Don't know about the K40 set-up and thus, probably don't have anything of value to offer. But I did have the Escort ZR3 radar detector and laser jammers installed, stealth, in my Challenge Stradale. Bumper has to come off, with each left and righ jammer installed in front left and right air scoop. Has to be exactly level. Rear jammer snug up under licence plate bracket. My unit advised professional installation and I can vouch for that. Good luck.
    BTW, my jammers work and saved my a..! In contrast, I consider the radar detector almost irrelevant.
     
  5. GCalo

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    Very true but very stiff penalties in CA for the use of jammers!
     
  6. shawsan

    shawsan Formula 3

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    Don't want to take this thread in a different direction but: Am I correct that fines would be levied in CA only if the policy laser unit signals it has been jammed (several advanced ones do). Put differently, if I have a jammer installed, its not activated, but am pulled over for some reason and Mr. detective sees it, would I be fined for simply having one?
     
  7. allegretto

    allegretto Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2006
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    Had a K-40 and hated it. Way too many false alarms. V1 in my 430 w/concealed power take off, very tidy

    anyway since you seem to want to go all the way I thought you might be interested in this.

    My wife was nabbed by LIDAR which is rapidly coming into use in Illinois. It is illegal to jam laser in Ill so I installed it with this system that hides it very stealthily. Currently on my test mule (997TT) and running fine so I'm adding another to the 430.

    Laser is so fast that by the time you "get" it, you're gotten with a detector. Jam or you're running bare.

    http://www.radarbusters.com/products/blinder/blinder-accessories.asp

    No financial interest...
     
  8. GCalo

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    If you are driving w/in CA you are subject to the jurisdictional control of the State of Calif.

    So, if you were stopped here and the police officer recognized your jammer you would have a difficult time convincing a judge it was not functional.

    The US Sup Court has ruled at times on issues similar to this and has upheld the regulations of the local jurisdictions as valid and not subject to the Supremecy issue of the Commerce Clause.

    Thus, you might be S.O.L..

    Again, in Calif the mere presence of a radar detector is prima facie evidence of speeding and this is fully admissible to the judge.
     
  9. thoang

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    I respectfully disagree. If I am driving at the speed limit with my radar detector on, there is no prima facie evidence of speeding.
     
  10. GCalo

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    You can disagree all you want as I did not say that. Read the wording carefully.

    I stated that the presence of a radar detector is admissible (by a police officer) as prima facie evidence of speeding. It is not an absolute that one was speeding. It is admissible because it is "non-testimonial" evidence.

    The CA Evidence code allows this admission and if there is any question the judge has the latitude to make his own decison as to the speeder's guilt or innocence.
     
  11. thoang

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    I am responding to your statement simply as it appears. You state that the "mere" presence of a radar detector is prima facie evidence of speeding. I understand the word "mere" as "being nothing more than" the presence of a radar detector is prima facie evidence of speeding."
     
  12. mr_bock

    mr_bock Formula 3

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    I did not want this thread to become a legal rights discussion... I think we all know where the law stands on that, hence the need for stealth. I don't have a problem removing the front bumper and locating the radar sensor behind the skin... totaly hidden (the radar sensor can 'see' through plastic). The laser jammer poses more dificult problems. I do not run a front license plate so I do not have the license plate frame/jammer mount that is supplied. I don't see any place where the jammer can hide. The jammer can't be buried in the air duct. It needs to be as far forward and the small windows unobstructed. On my M5 I cut a small slot just under the bumper chin so that just the window hangs down. This is at the top edge of the large lower air passage. It is very hidden, and works well. On the Modena, there is that small flat in the middle of the bumper for the license plate. Not sure if I cut the smallest of an opening to set the jammer there. It would be a good location, but I expect that it would stand out too much. Searching for more ideas....

    Thanks!!!
     
  13. GCalo

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    I am saying that if you are speeding and are stopped and if you have a radar detector w/in view, the police officer can introduce that as evidence of speeding.

    Thus, that is mere presence and yes it is prima facie evidence.
     
  14. thoang

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    Thanks for clarifying.
     
  15. The Rig

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    Here is a little info and some pics of a Passport sr7 install I did on a F430. K40 sensors are almost the same dimensions, so it should work for you. I would recommend professional install though. I did the whole thing with only one hole in the firewall for wires. Other then that the whole thing could be removed without ever knowing it was there.


    edit:Wont let me post the link for some reason? Maybe because it is on another forum? Its on ferrari spot under general discussion.
     
  16. Tom(Atl)

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    #16 Tom(Atl), Dec 15, 2006
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    K40 on my old M5.

    It was front and rear with laser jammer. When it detects laser, it makes a different noise and automatically shuts off, so the cop can't tag you twice and tell it was you with the jammer. It's up to you to slow down after it goes off.

    It saved me at least 2-3 times per week. Sometimes it went off so far in advance I thought it was a false alarm and ignored it. Then I'd see the cop a full 30 seconds and 2 hills later.

    To be fair, a cop did eventually get me with instant-on laser once, from a 30 degree diagonal angle to my front left. I got the noise, but it was too late. Although I somehow shaved off 25 mph between the time it went off and the time he registered it.

    Overall the K40 was great. I have never had V1, so I can't compare. But it worked great 99% of the time, and it was useful having different lights AND sounds to indicate front and rear, so I could continue to focus on the road.

    I will post better pictures of the install if I find them.
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  17. RBK

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    Isthere any PROOF, as in magazine or credible agency TESTS (other than manufacturer) that a JAMMER works? I don't question DETECTORS but have never seen one credible piece of evidence that a jammer works. Respectfully, I am not interested in pesonal experiences. Best
     
  18. shawsan

    shawsan Formula 3

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    There's clearly enough folks -- like me -- who believe the jammers construe some advantage that they took the time to read up on tests of various products to determine which one to buy. And so, for example, I've made use of test reports provided www.radarbusters.com And, no I don't presume this source has no flaws whatsoever; some of the testers probably have bad breath.

    Based on my research, I bought the Escort ZR3 laser shifters + radar. Having said this, however, I am fully aware that the system I bought, and all other laser jammer systems, are not bullet proof.

    First, they have different blocking capabilities before the laser "punches through". Some may be relatively good, providing a thousand feet of response time (ie., slow down), some may not be so good.

    Second, they have different capacities for different types of laser guns. Some are totally effective against one type of laser system, others not very effective.

    Third, tests suggest one's blocking capacity is enhanced (meaning supplemented) by painting VEIL (a grey screen) on one's license plate as it provides another 3-400 feet of protection. I've done so and it looks lousy.

    Fourth, some of the laser guns have a feedback signal informing the officer its been jammed (ouch, watch out).

    Finally, there's constant competition between the producers of laser guns and laser jammers, each year seeing one side advance over the other.

    And so, with all that information in my head, and the realization there's no way I can assume I'm completely protected, the next important information is: do I have concrete personal evidence it blocked a laser reading when I was engaged in highly spirited driving. If the answer is "yes", as in my case, then that piece of applied evidence can be tossed into the basket of considerations as well.

    One additional thought: a laser jammer could actually work toward enforcing the speed limit among its users were police to install a low cost laser box along a straight stretch with the switch permanently on.
     

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