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Justin's Ferrari 360 twin turbo build

Discussion in '360/430' started by justinn, Jan 16, 2012.

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  1. racing fan

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    We just got a 360 spyder in for a Twin Turbo setup. The car looks amazing and makes me want to want a twin turbo spyder as well.
     
  2. 'Da Wolf

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    What level of knowledge would be needed by a garage to fit this if you posted it overseas?
     
  3. racing fan

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    Basic aftermarket turbo kit knowledge would allow the average mechanic to bolt this kit on.
     
  4. S Brake

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    Awesome build.
     
  5. vinuneuro

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    Is there any complication with the F1 system since the stock clutch is likely rated for a lot less output and the ecu is calibrated as such also?
     
  6. justinn

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    The stock clutch should handle the base settings with an expedited wear expectation, but I would recommend you also do a clutch. I did my clutch from the beginning expecting higher power levels than what the base kit delivered.

    Justin
     
  7. ferrari360driver

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    I want you to install my kit for me guys. I see it for sale on your website. What is the time required to do the kit? Also, would you be willing to send me the car running 8 psi? Is the 8psi kit on pump gas as well? Or are you sticking with just 6 psi? Im a little confused about the 6 psi it. I see you say you made 485 rwhp, but the dyno shows about 517.... ?
     
  8. justinn

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    I apologize, I guess I missed this...

    Actually, Kean and I just developed the kit. You would have to contact BL directly for any specifics.

    On the 6 psi hp numbers being off, I had dyno'd prior to putting the 430 wheels on(I had 20inch HRE's with 345 tires ;) ). I was also being VERY conservative at the time. The 515whp number is the correct number for the day I dyno'd with the production kit ignition timing values.

    You really need to drive the Ferrari at 500whp(~600 bhp) before you consider more. 1st and 2nd are a handful, and 3rd is also if the tires are cold. I think at 700whp, it would not be nearly as fun although I would say that would need a built engine to accomplish. The way I sized the turbos, it can accomodate up to 1000whp without changing anything but the fuel system/pistons/rods/headgasket.

    Justin
     
  9. racing fan

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    With 515rwhp on tap at 6psi, there simply isn't a need for more boost. While the kit can certainly make more power, we have limited the power output to create a vehicle package designed for the best driver feel and function.
     
  10. ferrari360driver

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    but for 30 grand, i would much prefer 8 psi and 560 wheel.
     
  11. ferrari360driver

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    I know supercharging is entirely different and often much less complicated, but the m6 kit was 16k, installed, and tuned. This is double. I know, its a ferrari, and blah blah blah, but it just seems VERY expensive for such a kit.
     
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  12. justinn

    justinn Karting

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    believe me... I know... I built it... LOL. Is that the installed price?

    It is not extremely complicated, but there are obviously 2 of everything, and the turbos alone are over 4k(ball bearing, billet, vband, etc). I also built headers for it, so keep that in mind as well. I am not sure how well they explain what is included, but it is an entire exhaust(headers, uppipes, crosspipe, exhaust tips, etc). There are quite a bit more parts than what you can see on the surface(the external heat exchanger and fan setup was 600.00 alone). 1k+ in fittings/lines.... you get the picture.

    The M6 kit is not very complicated and works quite well so I've heard... I only wish our 360 engines were that size :)

    How did you like your M6 after you SC'd it, btw?

    Justin
     
  13. ferrari360driver

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    the m6 after supercharging is a beast! it blast to 200+ mph now. ive beaten gallardos, vipers, r8s both v8 and v10, ferrari 360s and 430s. its a black to drive. if only it handled like the 360. Ill probably just pass on the turbo kit for this if I can get 40 or so more hp out of full exhaust, intake, and a tune, but idk.

    30k, is just a lot of money. its half what I paid for this car. if the kit were say 20k, or even 25, then it would be more considerable of an option. I already have headers, so using new ones would be just wasteful of more money for me unless there were some way I could use my headers.

    I personally would rather a set of journal bearing turbos, and they dont really have to be billet etc and all that. maybe they would be slightly laggier, but whatever. I wouldnt need coolant lines for the, and imo journal bearing is more reliable.
     
  14. 360trev

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    #64 360trev, Apr 29, 2012
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    Justinn,

    Great work.

    Not sure if you ever looked into it much but if you require detailed information on how to read/write the flash on your Bosch Motronics for very little costs [i.e. D-I-Y - e.g. I built my own bench flash cable] I can provide help.

    Re-mapping the stock computers should be tidier and work much better with the factory Bosch Traction control system so worth considering.
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  15. ferrari360driver

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    justin, i dont see how a pair of precision 5857 turbos alone are over 4k?

    Im pricing them right now, and they can be had for 3200 plus shipping, in billet, with ball bearing, and v band everything... I would love to know if this kit can be built with my current Agency power headers in place?

    I would prefer to supply my own set of precision turbos, due to what seems to be a large mark up
     
  16. ferrari360driver

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    and even if custom headers were built... headers sell for 2-3k, turbos for 3200, 1000 in lines and fittings, plus I know you need charge pipes, and water to air intercoolers. and you mentioned 600 bucks or so for some other parts. Im sure it needs injectors and a fuel pump, so even if its 10-12k in parts.... and not even figuring in the cost of a replacement clutch, which can be had from vivid racing for 900 bucks and will hold more power than we can make on stock blocks... so 13k in parts say just for ****s in giggles, where the heck is the other 17k coming from? Labor? a tune? Thats a huge stupid tax IMO

    If i could get the kit in and done for 25K, I think I would do it..

    I think if underground racing were to build this setup, it would probably be similar in price, yet covered by their 2 year full warranty, make more power, and this is all they do... turbo crazy exotics.
     
  17. djastral69

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    I interested as well, so keep me apprised.....
     
  18. ferrari360driver

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    His initial build shows him using the factory headers and making a up pipe flange to continue on to the turbo... So I know this kit can be built with my current headers in place. For the people who have already spent 2-3k on headers, that wouldnt want to buy this kit with their headers, this should remain an option.

    So 30k for their kit, minus 2-3k for headers that we wouldnt need, plus if we supply our own turbos we can easily save a lot of money. I currently can get two journal bearing brand new precision 5857 V band turbos for 1500 shipped... and theyre still billet. So that saved 2500 more off theyre listed price.

    So they should be able to easily accommodate my 25k price range.
     
  19. justinn

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    Keep in mind that I am not boost Logic :) I only engineered this kit with Kean on my own car, my own time. I don't control pricing or bargaining ;) It's what I do for fun... I suggest to give BL a ring to discuss all of that stuff. I thought they did give a warranty of some sort though.

    I was quoting numbers right off the top of my head, but just add it up... base turbo(1k)+dbb with no water cooling(+600), 4 inch ported inlet(S cover I think), V band housing, then add both of the flanges needed for manufacture, shipping, ceramic coating on the hotsides, cast elbow and modification of the compressor cover. you are definitely around 4k in turbos :)

    The problem with piecing things together is that the tuning can, and will change. Albeit not very much(in theory) with the headers.... turbos and injectors could cause an issue. This means that the tuning would be affected and wouldn't be a "bolt on" affair any longer.

    If your headers have the same outlet point as the stock ones, you are golden. Not sure if they could cope with the added stresses of the turbo system however(stress cracking, slag and what not), but I suppose it's worth a try. I suggest giving them a call and see what they have to say about it.

    Let me know if you have any other questions and I will do my best to answer them.

    Justin
     
  20. justinn

    justinn Karting

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    additionally, if a part fails on the system that wasn't supplied, or causes a failure to another part of the system, where does liability fall at that point? I built it to be a "kit" as modification is needed to almost every part(except the headers). A bolt on proposition, if you will.

    Justin
     
  21. ferrari360driver

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    id rather no warranty at all. what can fail? intercooler piping? a turbo? I know how to take stuff apart, and put it back together. If a turbo blows, ill replace it. Im suprised companies offer warranties on aftermarket builds like this anyway.

    Im just saying, this kit needs to be about 5 grand less.
     
  22. KJM3SMG

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    Just call BL and negotiate... worth a try
     
  23. ferrari360driver

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    im going to give them a ring tomorrow. someone from there was supposed to email me a bunch of info about the kit, but never did, so ill try again tomorrow.

    I want to use my headers, and use journal bearing turbos instead of ball bearing.

    my headers can bolt up to stock exhaust etc, so Idk why they would be any different. unless the heat is an issue, but ill check with the distributor.
     
  24. ferrari360driver

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    screw it, im going to build my own turbo kit.

    justin, would you mind telling me what kind of injectors you used, and where you got them from? Did you upgrade the factory fuel pump?
     
  25. ferrari360driver

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    #75 ferrari360driver, Apr 29, 2012
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    justin, what size compressor wheel and turbine wheels did you use on your turbos? also, what are hot side did you use? .82 or .64?
     

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