Just sold my Ferrari to buy more TSLA

Talk is cheap.

 

true but not far off from being mass produced.

 

Seeing is believing. Rabbits don't jump out of hats.

 

https://electrek.co/2020/01/03/chevy-bolt-sales-decline-for-second-straight-year-a-warning-for-tesla-competitors/

New purchases of the Chevrolet Bolt, the nation’s second most popular electric vehicle, slid to 16,418 in 2019, a drop of 8.8% compared to last year. The 2019 figures represent a 29.5% decrease from two years ago.

Meanwhile.....

 

Tesla is the one who has a history of making claims, overhype and not delivering, not GM

 

I'm really confused.

• Gigafactory 1, in Storey County, Nevada, U.S.
• Gigafactory 2, in Buffalo, New York, U.S.
• Gigafactory 3, in Shanghai, China
• Tesla Gigafactory Europe (Gigafactory 4), near Berlin, Germany, in the State of Brandenburg

Best selling midsize luxury car, outselling all the Germans. And all Mary has is a poorly selling Bolt ? What am I missing ?

 

GM seems to have the longer history of making incredibly big false claims...in 2014 one of the claims I remember reading about was that they would have at least 15 full EV models by 2020, we're now in 2020 and what do they have to show for it since then?

Oh, looks like they're still deciding where to build this battery plant which will be making these "Ultium" batteries? But car deliveries are promised by 2021?

 

Please educate yourself.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28903274/porsche-taycan-transmission/

 

At the very beginning of the Tesla Roadster, it had a two speed transmission. (Original development shop was close to where I lived). It was ditched for the reliability of a single gear reduction and they never went back. I believe it didn't have the benefit of two clutches like mentioned in the article of the Taycan. That's probably the best way to handle the massive torque of electric motors. Waiting for my model Y which will be garaged with my 550. I've had a 12 cylinder Ferrari in my garage and wrenched on them since the late 1970's and I love them but..............

 

It's great that Porsche is shipping an EV. C'mon guys ! There's room for everyone !

 

+1 The EV world / path to sustainable energy can only get better w more competition. It’s just unfortunate the competition is still playing massive catch-up and it’ll be awhile.

Just saw a Rivian prototype on Highway 280 yesterday...looked pretty slick, if the paper stats match up w real life, I can see it being a popular choice and true, direct competition to Tesla.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. Do yourself a favor and please leave the engineering to the experts.

 

As an engineer, I will say that a single speed is very smooth, and matches the NVH of an EV. However, for performance, a multi speed is the only solution. I expect the roadster to be a 3 speed to hit the claimed top speed.

I feel that the current Taycan is a lost opportunity to remove the differential and do bidirectional torque control. Since Porsche is a hardware company, this makes sense. But the future is software control, not mechanical.

 

Let me give this a try

Taycan Pros: Porsche looks, Porsche traditional mechanical car delivering the Porsche experience with a different "engine"

Model 3 Pros: A new kind of car experience, driven by software with the best battery tech and charging infrastructure.

 

I would also add fit and finish of the Porsche. The materials in general are much nicer. You feel like you are in a luxury vehicle which you should for 200k.

 

I left that off because Model 3 Performance fully loaded is 66K

 

I'm the one that introduced the Model 3 into this discussion. The reason I did, is because of Porsche's talking points regarding repetitive performance versus a 2012 Model S. The 2170 format cells in the Model 3 is the current state of the art versus the older 1865 format cells which did derate after repetitive use. While the Raven Model S would seem to be the "competition", the next gen battery tech is all in the Model 3 until we find out more about Plaid. My gut tells me that Plaid will officially lap the Ring very soon with a huge lead, perhaps 20+ seconds over the Taycan.

I also don't know why it's such a pissing contest, so I can absolutely understand and support jerryz's defensive position.

Why can't we enjoy both brands without the attacks ? We should all be celebrating the choices.

Finally, let's talk about the elephant in the room. Namely the Supercharger network versus EA, CP, EvGo which the VW Group cars must use.

 

The Porsche draws a ring around your range on the map. In the Tesla, I can type 5th Avenue NYC when I'm in San Francisco and it will show me the exact route via Supercharger.